Labour Watch

[Proposition Joe]

Down here in Wales we've had 25 years of wasted money, vanity projects, the poor getting poorer, the NHS in chaos with waiting lists the highest in the UK, poorest education standards in UK, subsidising a failed airport, listening to nobody in Wales, made a hash of COVID and everyone driving around at 20 mph and MS's getting censored for call the 20 mph thing a 'blanket' 20 mph law. Please note - 25 years, not just the past 14 - 25 years of Labour.

Look on the bright side, the devolved government have vowed to make Wales a "racism free nation" by 2030. Hadn't realised racism was such a big problem there.

So you're in favour of racism?

[faldO]

Down here in Wales we've had 25 years of wasted money, vanity projects, the poor getting poorer, the NHS in chaos with waiting lists the highest in the UK, poorest education standards in UK, subsidising a failed airport, listening to nobody in Wales, made a hash of COVID and everyone driving around at 20 mph and MS's getting censored for call the 20 mph thing a 'blanket' 20 mph law. Please note - 25 years, not just the past 14 - 25 years of Labour.

Look on the bright side, the devolved government have vowed to make Wales a "racism free nation" by 2030. Hadn't realised racism was such a big problem there.

So you're in favour of racism?

Sometimes it's too easy...

[Dohnut]

And so it continues

Inflation on the increase
Electric prices increase on top of the fuel allowance hit. Tough on the old and vulnerable.
Charities hit by £1.4 billion extra tax
Bank of England warning of job losses and interest rates staying higher for longer
OBR forecasting 50,000 job losses, even more
Accrington Stanley warning of dire consequences for them and other clubs

What a fcuking shambles.

Its only been 3 months and theres 14 years of ruin to fix.

I know. It took the Tories for ever to fix the absolute shambles left by Labour. I recall all the flack they took in the process. What goes around etc.

Still, as we enter austerity mark 2 under a different name I’m sure Labour will screw things up ever faster. Off to a great start. Hypocrisy, lies, back handers, cronyism, poor judgement. They’ve certainly won the race in achieving that.

[Dohnut]

Challenge also applies to you.

When he sent me this private message a few years back I foolishly believed we had heard the last of him. How wrong I was


Bully
Sent: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:41 pm
From: F*ck The Poor & Fat
Recipient: Max B Gold

Hi Max. Seems I may be a goner on the forum. The mods finally decided I’m too hot to handle and applied the ultimate sanction, worthy of the Labour Party.

Just want to say I’ve enjoyed our jousts and I really enjoyed your sense of humour. Master of the one liner for sure.

But, alas I have stardards and I will not betray them for what I see as scumbag moderators. So unless they restore my name I will not post. Happy in the knowledge that they resorted to this as the only way they had a chance in debating with me. They have waved the white flag. Shame, I’m always up for a good argument.

Take care Max. Once I log out it will be the end. You will miss me.

Recall that well Max. Your sense of humour sits well with me. Enjoyed it then, enjoy it now. No accounting for taste I suppose. Keep well.

[Dohnut]

Not really sure who he thinks he's having an argument with. Not like this place is crowded with Starmer / New Labour version 2.0 supporters.

Dunners excepted of course

Then my opinions won’t really matter. That’s fine. We all make up our own mind on what Governments do. This one is screwing up at a rate of knots and current opinion polls tell their own story. Pitiful. They are incapable of answering a question and it’s embarrassing to listen to. I feel ashamed that they are representing the U.K. on the international stage.

[Dohnut]

Then you need to research farmers. Having land worth a million is fine. Having outbuildings and equipment worth thousands is fine. But unless the tax man will accept a tractor, a few cows or acres of land in payment then farmers need cash to pay their bills. Asset rich means selling assets to pay bills. That means selling assets or taking out loans. And/or putting up prices or reducing the numbers of casuals employed. Or just selling up.

Luckily the equipment will be covered by the generous business property relief and the farm buildings and land by the agricultural relief.

It's win win for the farmers.

Hang on. Are you telling me that Dohnut has got this all wrong?

And the thousands of farmers too? It’s not like they work with this 365 days a year and need to manage their finances. Still, some on this forum know best!

[Proposition Joe]

Are you a farmer?

[Admin]

Are you a farmer?

Possibly. He is after all an expert in bullshit

[Long slender neck]

And so it continues

Inflation on the increase
Electric prices increase on top of the fuel allowance hit. Tough on the old and vulnerable.
Charities hit by £1.4 billion extra tax
Bank of England warning of job losses and interest rates staying higher for longer
OBR forecasting 50,000 job losses, even more
Accrington Stanley warning of dire consequences for them and other clubs

What a fcuking shambles.

Its only been 3 months and theres 14 years of ruin to fix.

I know. It took the Tories for ever to fix the absolute shambles left by Labour. I recall all the flack they took in the process. What goes around etc.

Still, as we enter austerity mark 2 under a different name I’m sure Labour will screw things up ever faster. Off to a great start. Hypocrisy, lies, back handers, cronyism, poor judgement. They’ve certainly won the race in achieving that.

What did the Tories fix?

[Story of O]

About as much as Jim did

[BoniO]

Its only been 3 months and theres 14 years of ruin to fix.

I know. It took the Tories for ever to fix the absolute shambles left by Labour. I recall all the flack they took in the process. What goes around etc.

Still, as we enter austerity mark 2 under a different name I’m sure Labour will screw things up ever faster. Off to a great start. Hypocrisy, lies, back handers, cronyism, poor judgement. They’ve certainly won the race in achieving that.

What did the Tories fix?

More dosh for their mates, the rich got richer, the run down NHS became more sellable, the right got a lot stronger, the media became overtly right biased , etc, etc

[Dunners]

Its only been 3 months and theres 14 years of ruin to fix.

I know. It took the Tories for ever to fix the absolute shambles left by Labour. I recall all the flack they took in the process. What goes around etc.

Still, as we enter austerity mark 2 under a different name I’m sure Labour will screw things up ever faster. Off to a great start. Hypocrisy, lies, back handers, cronyism, poor judgement. They’ve certainly won the race in achieving that.

What did the Tories fix?

We have dedicated a whole thread to listing their Greatest Hits: viewtopic.php?t=14083

It's always worth a re-read when you fancy a chuckle and reminder of the good 'ol days.

[Long slender neck]

God, I await the legal summons.

[Dohnut]

I know. It took the Tories for ever to fix the absolute shambles left by Labour. I recall all the flack they took in the process. What goes around etc.

Still, as we enter austerity mark 2 under a different name I’m sure Labour will screw things up ever faster. Off to a great start. Hypocrisy, lies, back handers, cronyism, poor judgement. They’ve certainly won the race in achieving that.

What did the Tories fix?

We have dedicated a whole thread to listing their Greatest Hits: viewtopic.php?t=14083

It's always worth a re-read when you fancy a chuckle and reminder of the good 'ol days.

And that is exactly why I’m posting what I am.

The Tories got their fair share of criticism and much of it justified. They deserved what they got and paid the price at the General Election where we were all able to voice our displeasure.

Thing is Labour thus far are proving to be just as bad. In fact their fall from grace following a massive victory is nothing short of staggering. And record breaking. It’s not really hard to see why. Not worth repeating, we all know.

Now we read borrowing is massively up. Defence spending cut, Royal Mail talking of price increases and job losses. The list just goes on and on. And it’s a long way from finished. Noises coming out that if Labour is to meet is spending targets, more tax rises are inevitable. Of course this is just people talking on the radio.

Labour thus far is a shambles. Big time. Out of the frying pan….

[BoniO]

Still, at least they haven’t managed to kill tens of thousands of us by screwing up over Covid like the Tories did, and then lied, lied and lied some more about it.

[cymruO]

Drakeford and Gethin mucked up big time on COVID, here in Wales. So much so that the Welsh Labour Govt has refused to have a public enquiry and just blame the Tories. In Wales here we speak of the Liebour Party.

[Dohnut]

Be interesting to see what the Covid enquiry finds. Mistakes were made and that has been admitted. Of course we also started the vaccination program long before others. And lots of people died worldwide. When you look at the data gathering what was apparent was how other countries collated their data and what the included and importantly excluded. But looking at the global statistics and accepting their fragility, we didn’t do too bad.

Do I think Labour would have faired better given the uniqueness of the issue. Look around elsewhere and the answer becomes clearer.

But what is becoming clear on this thread is lots of “look at how bad the Tories were” stuff and a few personal comments. Fine, but that completely misses the point, in fact it simply reinforces my point of what a crap job Labour are doing, all this diversionary stuff being the only comeback.

Labour are just a shambles. What they said, what they are doing. Their response, just blame the Tories. A stock answer because as yet they have naff all constructive to offer. It’s embarrassing, just going on too long.

[Max B Gold]

What is point? What is point post?

[BoniO]

Be interesting to see what the Covid enquiry finds. Mistakes were made and that has been admitted. Of course we also started the vaccination program long before others. And lots of people died worldwide. When you look at the data gathering what was apparent was how other countries collated their data and what the included and importantly excluded. But looking at the global statistics and accepting their fragility, we didn’t do too bad.

Do I think Labour would have faired better given the uniqueness of the issue. Look around elsewhere and the answer becomes clearer.

But what is becoming clear on this thread is lots of “look at how bad the Tories were” stuff and a few personal comments. Fine, but that completely misses the point, in fact it simply reinforces my point of what a crap job Labour are doing, all this diversionary stuff being the only comeback.

Labour are just a shambles. What they said, what they are doing. Their response, just blame the Tories. A stock answer because as yet they have naff all constructive to offer. It’s embarrassing, just going on too long.

Oh please, the Tories didn’t do “too bad” over Covid. I thought only a Goldfish had the memory of a Goldfish?

[BoniO]

Drakeford and Gethin mucked up big time on COVID, here in Wales. So much so that the Welsh Labour Govt has refused to have a public enquiry and just blame the Tories. In Wales here we speak of the Liebour Party.

I’m honestly not aware of how much Welsh Labour screwed up and if that was influenced by central government in Westminster.

[Pugwash]

Be interesting to see what the Covid enquiry finds. Mistakes were made and that has been admitted. Of course we also started the vaccination program long before others. And lots of people died worldwide. When you look at the data gathering what was apparent was how other countries collated their data and what the included and importantly excluded. But looking at the global statistics and accepting their fragility, we didn’t do too bad.

Do I think Labour would have faired better given the uniqueness of the issue. Look around elsewhere and the answer becomes clearer.

But what is becoming clear on this thread is lots of “look at how bad the Tories were” stuff and a few personal comments. Fine, but that completely misses the point, in fact it simply reinforces my point of what a crap job Labour are doing, all this diversionary stuff being the only comeback.

Labour are just a shambles. What they said, what they are doing. Their response, just blame the Tories. A stock answer because as yet they have naff all constructive to offer. It’s embarrassing, just going on too long.

Truly Bizzare post, 200,000 dead & this bloke is using Imagine ifs.

[Dohnut]

What I find interesting is that some people are so blinded by political ideology their views are very polarised. Tory bad, Labour good. Thats it.

Being blind to the realities of politics is, in my humble opinion, a very dangerous place to be. We all have our preferences for sure but to be so blind to the realities is? Not too sure I can find the right words.

Still, takes all sorts. I much prefer being open to the fact there is good and bad on both sides of the political divide. Tories made mistakes, Labour are fecking up.

[Long slender neck]

Be interesting to see what the Covid enquiry finds. Mistakes were made and that has been admitted. Of course we also started the vaccination program long before others. And lots of people died worldwide. When you look at the data gathering what was apparent was how other countries collated their data and what the included and importantly excluded. But looking at the global statistics and accepting their fragility, we didn’t do too bad.

Do I think Labour would have faired better given the uniqueness of the issue. Look around elsewhere and the answer becomes clearer.

But what is becoming clear on this thread is lots of “look at how bad the Tories were” stuff and a few personal comments. Fine, but that completely misses the point, in fact it simply reinforces my point of what a crap job Labour are doing, all this diversionary stuff being the only comeback.

Labour are just a shambles. What they said, what they are doing. Their response, just blame the Tories. A stock answer because as yet they have naff all constructive to offer. It’s embarrassing, just going on too long.

Too long? Its been 3 months.

Do you not accept that their hands are somewhat tied by the situation inherited?

(You'll reply with 'but the Tories inherited Labours mess in 2008. Shambles!)

[Max B Gold]

What I find interesting is that some people are so blinded by political ideology their views are very polarised. Tory bad, Labour good. Thats it.

Being blind to the realities of politics is, in my humble opinion, a very dangerous place to be. We all have our preferences for sure but to be so blind to the realities is? Not too sure I can find the right words.

Still, takes all sorts. I much prefer being open to the fact there is good and bad on both sides of the political divide. Tories made mistakes, Labour are fecking up.

This is wrong the Tories are evil.

[Pugwash]

What I find interesting is that some people are so blinded by political ideology their views are very polarised. Tory bad, Labour good. Thats it.

Being blind to the realities of politics is, in my humble opinion, a very dangerous place to be. We all have our preferences for sure but to be so blind to the realities is? Not too sure I can find the right words.

Still, takes all sorts. I much prefer being open to the fact there is good and bad on both sides of the political divide. Tories made mistakes, Labour are fecking up.

Mistakes & fecking up shows how neutral you are. Imagine ifs