Harris v. Trump

[Hoover Attack]

I don’t really do American politics but never mind policies, am I right in thinking the best candidates the Democrats could offer up in the last 8 years have been Hilary Clinton, Jo Biden and Kamala Harris? That’s not very good really, is it.

[RedDwarf 1881]

I don’t really do American politics but never mind policies, am I right in thinking the best candidates the Democrats could offer up in the last 8 years have been Hilary Clinton, Jo Biden and Kamala Harris? That’s not very good really, is it.

No , it's not . In fact is bloody abysmal .

[Yanzi Gravy]

I think Tromp said the same about Hull’s Leader when they elected him.

[Dunners]

For the older boarders and politics/history aficionados on the board.

Better comeback than Nixon?

Yes. It's incredible.

This clip shows how the political establishment tried to mock and humiliate him. The condescending smugness of Obama now makes him look ridiculous in retrospect.

We can agree that Trump is an abhorrent person, but anyone who doesn't now respect his determinism and resilience is doomed to forever underestimate their opponents and always blames others for their own shortcomings.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.

[Give it to Jabo]

Have the violent protests started yet?

I see that Biden is going to help Trump with the transfer of power and that Harris HAS conceded. The offer was NOT reciprocated when Trump lost. We should expect civility from politicians..

[Dunners]

I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.

That clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.

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Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?

Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whatever

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/

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I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.

That clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.

Pathological narcissism is a helluva drug

Edit: in case it’s unclear I’m referring to Trump not see eee bee

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The problem is there's no point branding your political opponents things like that while having no answers for fixing the problems that you , yourself created . Trump is back in power because of the failure of left wing policies . Edit . I agree with your second point . I don't think the Democrats could have chosen a worse candidate who in turn chose the worse running mate . I still believe anybody half decent who actually knew what they were talking about would have given Trump a much tougher race

What left wing?

What are the Democrats ? Answers on a postcard please . Anyway I know you're not that thick Tuffers . I know you just like to tease .

They’re centrists, American politicians doesn’t have a functioning left wing

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The most depressing element here is how far we are away from a society in which most people (including myself in this) can:

- understand political issues (like the economy) at even a rudimentary level;
- recognise non-defensively the influences of power and oppression
- properly appraise information and its credibility (including media bias)
- explore their individual unconscious biases and insecurities, and how these might affect their decisions
- listen to opposing views with openness and empathy, rather than blaming, attacking and judging which only widens the divide with others

I wish these things would be prioritised in education, so that we might end up with future generations of astute, politically engaged, reasonable people.

Maybe someone should send this to matey from Hope Not Hate?

[Mistadobalina]

For the older boarders and politics/history aficionados on the board.

Better comeback than Nixon?

Yes. It's incredible.

This clip shows how the political establishment tried to mock and humiliate him. The condescending smugness of Obama now makes him look ridiculous in retrospect.

We can agree that Trump is an abhorrent person, but anyone who doesn't now respect his determinism and resilience is doomed to forever underestimate their opponents and always blames others for their own shortcomings.

Isn't this a bit of a retcon? Trump had been spending years promoting a racist conspiracy theory about Obama, which is what really launched his political career. That being a racist didn't immediately disqualify the guy but actually gave him a platform to build from his a key part of his rise.

[Long slender neck]

Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?

Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whatever

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/

If only he didnt love terrorists etc.

[Dunners]

What left wing?

What are the Democrats ? Answers on a postcard please . Anyway I know you're not that thick Tuffers . I know you just like to tease .

They’re centrists, American politicians doesn’t have a functioning left wing

I read that many trade unions are increasingly aligned with the Republicans. Depending on the definition of left wing, if true*, that would increasingly make the GOP the party of the working class, and the Democrats the party of the liberal progressive class.


*I genuinely have no idea if it's true or not and have no intention of looking it up.

[Hoover Attack]

Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?

Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whatever

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/

If only he didnt love terrorists etc.

See above - the RW press were very successful at painting a lifelong anti-war, anti-racism man as a terrorist loving racist.

Some thickos still believe it to this day.

[Dunners]

True. But then there were plenty of reasons for us smart people to also conclude that he was unfit for office (i.e. his response to the Russian state murdering people in Salisbury, his terrible management of his own party when dealing with his opponents and the 2019 election campaign, the Hamas funeral thing, etc).

[Hoover Attack]

You’re right. May and then Johnson were so much more ‘fit for office’, whatever that means.

[Dunners]

You’re right. May and then Johnson were so much more ‘fit for office’, whatever that means.

Hi Terry.

[Dunners]

Blimey. The Democrats couldn't even buy a win.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.

That clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.

Exactly. Not letting something go isn’t something that takes effort - it’s a compulsion. He doesn’t deserve respect for it (and I certainly don’t deserve respect for the “not letting stuff go” thing - if anything I’m self aware enough to get that that’s an obnoxious barrier to me actually communicating well )

[Hoover Attack]

Blimey. The Democrats couldn't even buy a win.

Helps to keep your costs down when you know a bloke at Twitter…

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

You’re right. May and then Johnson were so much more ‘fit for office’, whatever that means.

This is what is meant by the unwillingness of the left to reflect. May and Johnson were indeed unfit for office, but that doesn’t deal with the criticisms of Corbyn.

And I suspect that if the left want to get anywhere near power again, they will absolutely need to properly engage with the criticisms of left wing figures that have actual substance.

Otherwise, the left will be actively playing its part in politics being done without them.

[Dohnut]

Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whatever

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/

If only he didnt love terrorists etc.

See above - the RW press were very successful at painting a lifelong anti-war, anti-racism man as a terrorist loving racist.

Some thickos still believe it to this day.

Some thickos are actually right.

[Dohnut]

Blimey. The Democrats couldn't even buy a win.

Helps to keep your costs down when you know a bloke at Twitter…

Really!

[Dunners]

Even some of the Novara mob are beginning to get it (which means they'll be hounded as traitors next).