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Proposition Joe wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:13 pm Nothing there that justifies kicking a restrained man in the head, this isn't some kind of 'Gotcha' moment. Both the Police and those assaulting them in that clip should face the repercussions they deserve.
The policeMAN not ‘the police’ or are all people in blue uniform the same to you?
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FrankOFile wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:50 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:15 am
Friend or faux wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:44 am B.whitehouse+10more~;- No justification for what he does, needs to be kicked out and charged, strange though how no one has posted a video of the 3 armed response cops getting the sh*t kicked out of them by this guy on the floor and his family / mates, all 3 needing hospital treatment.


You could have added that these nice geezers also broke the jaw of a policewoman. That would have spoilt the narratives of Maxy & his ilk. Also if these rogues had got hold of the weapons of the armed officers, that they had done over & started shooting the filming bystanders, I wonder what the public would have said about that?
Even the GMP aren't claiming a female officer had her jaw broken so why are you spreading that apparent misinformation?
You clearly have not seen the whole video where a female PC gets lumps smashed out of her and other morons are punching other police. Friend or Faux is spot on highlighting this and the hypocrisy of the anti-police brigade, like the clown across the border, who would be the first crying out for help from plod if the same treatment was meted out to them.
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The head-kicking officer will still be required to justify his use of force. But I have almost zero sympathy for these thugs that attacked the police, and they're lucky that a tazering/kicking is all they got. They even elbowed their own mother in the face.
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Dunners wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:34 am The head-kicking officer will still be required to justify his use of force. But I have almost zero sympathy for these thugs that attacked the police, and they're lucky that a tazering/kicking is all they got. They even elbowed their own mother in the face.
In other words, thugs existing on our streets who blight the lives of others and also of the communities that they live in.
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Noticing the stance Preposterous Joe takes in this thread, one wonders what he gets up to in his spare time, to be so anti-Police?
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Can someone post up the video of the initial attack on the police please ?
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Dunners wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:34 am The head-kicking officer will still be required to justify his use of force. But I have almost zero sympathy for these thugs that attacked the police, and they're lucky that a tazering/kicking is all they got. They even elbowed their own mother in the face.
If this had happened in America there would have been no head kicks because they would have been shot dead, maybe it’s time to fully arm the Police
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B.whitehouse+10more wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:42 am
Dunners wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:34 am The head-kicking officer will still be required to justify his use of force. But I have almost zero sympathy for these thugs that attacked the police, and they're lucky that a tazering/kicking is all they got. They even elbowed their own mother in the face.
If this had happened in America there would have been no head kicks because they would have been shot dead, maybe it’s time to fully arm the Police
Aren't airport police already fully armed?
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Adz:- Aren't airport police already fully armed?

This is part of the problem. The troublemakers took full advantage of the restraint shown by the police and it was feared that the troublemakers could have got hold of the arms
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Is throwing the first punch and kicking and stomping on the head of a member of the public showing restraint?

I'm not surprised you are supporting fascist bully boy tactics.
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The problem was started by one of the assailants resisting arrest. The situation then got out of hand as some members of both parties lost their tempers.

The first punch was thrown by one of the assailants.
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Adz wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:15 pm
B.whitehouse+10more wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:42 am
Dunners wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:34 am The head-kicking officer will still be required to justify his use of force. But I have almost zero sympathy for these thugs that attacked the police, and they're lucky that a tazering/kicking is all they got. They even elbowed their own mother in the face.
If this had happened in America there would have been no head kicks because they would have been shot dead, maybe it’s time to fully arm the Police
Aren't airport police already fully armed?
Yes they are but showed restraint went for tasers rather than their guns American police go for their guns if anyone resists arrest shoot then ask questions.
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Max B Gold wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:57 pm Is throwing the first punch and kicking and stomping on the head of a member of the public showing restraint?

I'm not surprised you are supporting fascist bully boy tactics.
Perhaps fence in these areas where these thugs prevail, remove any police presence..........and let anarchy rule, that should please some on here !
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Friend or faux wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:52 am Noticing the stance Preposterous Joe takes in this thread, one wonders what he gets up to in his spare time, to be so anti-Police?
What exactly are you accusing me of here, you silly individual?
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faldO wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:33 pm The problem was started by one of the assailants resisting arrest. The situation then got out of hand as some members of both parties lost their tempers.

The first punch was thrown by one of the assailants.
Incorrect.
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I think British police need to follow the American style of releasing all footage from incidents straight away to avoid these clips that clearly only show part of an incident that supports a particular view but somehow still dupes people.

Also people are rightly saying the police officer needs to be accountable for their actions but for some reason everyone else just gets a pass. If they hadn’t kicked off initially would it have gone that way? Who knows maybe the policeman would have peacefully arrested them and then still booted them in the head but I doubt it.
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Max B Gold wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:29 pm
faldO wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:33 pm The problem was started by one of the assailants resisting arrest. The situation then got out of hand as some members of both parties lost their tempers.

The first punch was thrown by one of the assailants.
Incorrect.
Not at all.
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J1MB0B wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:12 pm I think British police need to follow the American style of releasing all footage from incidents straight away to avoid these clips that clearly only show part of an incident that supports a particular view but somehow still dupes people.

Also people are rightly saying the police officer needs to be accountable for their actions but for some reason everyone else just gets a pass. If they hadn’t kicked off initially would it have gone that way? Who knows maybe the policeman would have peacefully arrested them and then still booted them in the head but I doubt it.
There is a video online which shows a police trying to aggressively arrest a suspect and in doing so bangs his head against a wall.

The suspect reacts. Three police get leathered.

Tasers are deployed after which a police goes berserk and kicks and jumps on a suspects head.
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So why does he smack the 2 female police if the male was the one using excessive force? He has no accountability for his actions and is free to punch anyone?
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The guy is almost certainly going to go to jail. That is obviously how he should be held to account for his actions. The police don't exist to mete out eye for an eye treatment, holding them to account is how you stop them using a badge to break the law themselves.
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...and, the police should be held to the highest of standards. That's the job. They don't get paid enough for it, but being able maintain your composure under pressure and not bring the force into disrepute is necessary.
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Correct and the officer in question will have to justify their use of force based on their honestly held belief at the time it was used

Saying you’re certain he’ll get time based on a few second edited video clip and a fuzzy cctv video is quite a stretch though
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LOL.

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Apparently they've also ditched that grievance-grift lawyer. I bet the new lawyer is advising them to get some contrition indicators up now in advance of a trial and sentencing.
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J1MB0B wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:41 pm So why does he smack the 2 female police if the male was the one using excessive force? He has no accountability for his actions and is free to punch anyone?
If the police had tried to make the arrest in a normal non aggressive fashion none of this would have happened.

The arresting police guy went in strong and deliberately banged perp 1's head against a wall, thus provoking self defence measures during which time the other police coming to assist said agggressive arresting police got leathered.

And yes the perps are accountable for their unlawful actions, to the extent they were actually unlawful and not justified by self defence.

The best solution is for both sides to call it a draw and move on.
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