so the children & women taken by force by Israel & incarcerated without trial are prisoners aren't hostages ?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:51 amThey're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).
It's okay to be critical of Israel's detainment of Palestinian prisoners whilst not falling into the trap of trying to draw moral equivalent with Hamas abducting civilians, such as a two-year old child, at gun point.
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I've forgotten who the good & bad guys are anymore. I can imagine Jesus & Moses on the charlie hebdo cartoon flying carpet arent feeling so smug with Mohammed (peace be on all of them) now.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:55 amThey are if they're taken hostage/incarcerated by the good guys.
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Yes. But I don't think you're capable of understanding why that is, so happy to just go along with whatever definition you wish to arrive at for a quiet life.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
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I'm sure you're sure of it.
To me the taking of Children after violent attacks
And incarcerating them is the same be they Palestinian
Or Israeli, taken by Israeli or Palestinian .
Just wonder why one is a hostage &
one is a prisoner is all .
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Or believe that by trying to differentiate between the taking of women and children by either side you really are scraping the barrel. It’s abhorrent from either side.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:39 pm Because you don’t understand basic definitions
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Whatever Trevor. I should have added that Israel is an old hand at taking women and children prisoners. Been at it for years.
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Well done for distinguishing between hostages and prisoners though
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Thank you. As anyone can see, both sides have taken prisoners but one side has a much longer history of doing so.
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It's bizarre how the same act can be viewed so differently depending on who is perpetrating it.
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It’s called bias.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:22 pm It's bizarre how the same act can be viewed so differently depending on who is perpetrating it.
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Ah but I do.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:39 pm Because you don’t understand basic definitions
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Hasn’t that always been the case though? The French Resistance were viewed as heroes by the French and simultaneously as terrorists by the Nazis. See also the IRA.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:22 pm It's bizarre how the same act can be viewed so differently depending on who is perpetrating it.
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Wasn’t Mandela also considered a terrorist by us until we changed our minds and started calling him a freedom fighter? (All before my time so apologies if that wasn’t the case).
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Yes he was taken hostage by R.S.A labelled as a Terrorist. Some jumped up reason like being a Black Human Being wanting equality to White Human Beings. Funny Royal South Africa was only rejected in 1994, 3 years after aparthied ended.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:54 am Wasn’t Mandela also considered a terrorist by us until we changed our minds and started calling him a freedom fighter? (All before my time so apologies if that wasn’t the case).
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If any other country in the world was to do what Israel is doing to the civilians in Gaza, they'd be uproar from the rest of the world............but not when Israel does it for reasons i just cant fathom.
By the end of this, 50,000 ( at least), will have been murdered by the Zionist psychopaths, and still not a single word of criticism will be allowed.
By the end of this, 50,000 ( at least), will have been murdered by the Zionist psychopaths, and still not a single word of criticism will be allowed.