Thinking of the tens of thousands of innocent civilians - mostly women and children - getting battered/murdered, rather than terrorists.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:59 amWont someone please think of the terrorists?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:54 am I'm not sure anyone is claiming that this has brought about an end to hostilities forever......
Just that left leaning people should have been calling for the bombing and fighting to stop.
(I meant Sirkier, not you - I've accepted you're a lost cause and have gone over to the dark side).
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Uh oh'yyyyyyBoniO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:05 amWhich side are they on?Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:59 amWont someone please think of the terrorists?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:54 am I'm not sure anyone is claiming that this has brought about an end to hostilities forever......
Just that left leaning people should have been calling for the bombing and fighting to stop.
(I meant Sirkier, not you - I've accepted you're a lost cause and have gone over to the dark side).
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I'll wait for those numbers to be verified.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:03 amTens of thousands of civilians murdered - mostly women and children - and you opt for 'battered'?Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:58 am I mean, if you're getting battered of course you'll accept a 'ceasefire', for now.
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Dear Hamas, we noticed you murdered a thousand of our civilians and kidnapped hundreds more, fancy a cup of tea and a chat?
What planet are you lefties on?
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Dear Hamas, we noticed you murdered one thousand of our civilians so we’re going to ‘batter’ 10 times as many unrelated Palestinian civilians in revenge attacks.
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Interesting how Hamas were suddenly open to releasing hostages during a pause in hostilities just after Tehran effectively told them they were on their own. But I'm sure that's just a coincidence, and that really all they wanted was the chance to chat with the Israeli's over a cup of tea and slice of cake.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:36 amThey will.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:34 pm
Hamas - They have stated their intent. Osama Hamdan (a Hamas official), in an interview with Al-Liwaa newspaper, stated that if they could they would repeat the October 7th attacks again. And again. Their aim is aligned with Iran in preventing Israel from being a 'natural entity' in the region. They will not accept peace or agree to a ceasefire.
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It's such a pity war has broken out again, but I suppose Israel hasnt finished the ethnic cleaning of Gaza yet
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To be fair, Netanyahu was always going to do this once he'd got the majority of Israeli hostages back in exchange for some of the Palestinian hostages he was holding (which people never seem to mention).Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:37 am "Oh thanks for trading some hostages, I guess we can call it quits now? "
Hamas have been very naive here, but not sure what else they could do?
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They do:Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 amTo be fair, Netanyahu was always going to do this once he'd got the majority of Israeli hostages back in exchange for some of the Palestinian hostages he was holding (which people never seem to mention).Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:37 am "Oh thanks for trading some hostages, I guess we can call it quits now? "
They're not being naive. They've been shafted by their sponsors.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 am Hamas have been very naive here, but not sure what else they could do?
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Hamas are terrorists, they're undemocratic, they hate women and all that stuff, they're basically the Taliban.ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:38 am It's such a pity war has broken out again, but I suppose Israel hasnt finished the ethnic cleaning of Gaza yet
Are you in favour of their removal or not?
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The real question is; If Hamas were somehow to be 'removed', what then follows? I hope that nobody with any brains would want to cheer Hamas onto victory. But the lessons from places such as Iraq and Libya is that, following the removal of despotic regimes, things can always get worse.
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Israel released Prisoners ? Are people encacerated without trial called prisoners or hostages ?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:00 amThey do:Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 amTo be fair, Netanyahu was always going to do this once he'd got the majority of Israeli hostages back in exchange for some of the Palestinian hostages he was holding (which people never seem to mention).Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:37 am "Oh thanks for trading some hostages, I guess we can call it quits now? "
They're not being naive. They've been shafted by their sponsors.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 am Hamas have been very naive here, but not sure what else they could do?
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They're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).Joe315 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:05 amIsrael released Prisoners ? Are people encacerated without trial called prisoners or hostages ?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:00 amThey do:Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 am
To be fair, Netanyahu was always going to do this once he'd got the majority of Israeli hostages back in exchange for some of the Palestinian hostages he was holding (which people never seem to mention).
They're not being naive. They've been shafted by their sponsors.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:51 am Hamas have been very naive here, but not sure what else they could do?
It's okay to be critical of Israel's detainment of Palestinian prisoners whilst not falling into the trap of trying to draw moral equivalent with Hamas abducting civilians, such as a two-year old child, at gun point.
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Err, have you not noticed that some of the Palestinians being released are children?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:51 amThey're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).
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It's ok, they were being held in a juvenile prison.BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:05 pmErr, have you not noticed that some of the Palestinians being released are children?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:51 amThey're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).
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Yes I have noticed that. Why do you ask? What is it about what I have said that makes you think I might be okay with that?BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:05 pmErr, have you not noticed that some of the Palestinians being released are children?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:51 amThey're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).
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Well you mentioned moral equivalency and then talked of a child of 2 being taken by Hamas. I’m just pointing out that it’s not only Hamas that takes children prisoner.Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:17 pmYes I have noticed that. Why do you ask? What is it about what I have said that makes you think I might be okay with that?BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:05 pmErr, have you not noticed that some of the Palestinians being released are children?Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:51 am
They're called prisoners. How they have been detained may be immoral and/or illegal, but they are still technically prisoners. Hostages are people who are kidnapped and held as security for the fulfilment of a condition (i.e. a ransom or exchange of prisoners).
It's okay to be critical of Israel's detainment of Palestinian prisoners whilst not falling into the trap of trying to draw moral equivalent with Hamas abducting civilians, such as a two-year old child, at gun point.