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Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:27 am
by Father Ted Crilly
Appears JC has an un-redacted copy detailing trade talks between the Tories and the US. Unsurprisingly, it would seem the NHS was / is on the table.....


Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:50 am
by Oforever
NHS not on the table. More boring scaremongering.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:52 am
by Long slender neck
But the secret document says it definitely is on the table.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:55 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Boris has been running around promising the NHS is not for sale.

He'll now say these are just trade agreements between the NHS and the US, they're not actually selling the NHS.

Thickies will believe it.

Can you imagine if we had a proper media who actually went after the tories on things like this, rather than the angle of Corbyn's glasses.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:01 am
by spen666
To quote Laura in more detail from the BBC website
This is all going to be furiously disputed through the day, no question - we're trying to get a link to the full documents so you can have a proper look.

It's important, though, that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't provide evidence that ministers have agreed that the health service should be part of a trade deal with US.

But details of discussions about the demands of US pharmaceutical companies will still be motivating for Labour voters worried about the NHS.

"Not for sale" has been biggest mantra at Labour events, even though the Tories have always furiously denied that the NHS is in any way "up for sale".

It's clear that US drug firms want access to UK markets - Labour suggests the UK has agreed they could extend patents of some medicines which could cost NHS more, for example.

There's a big political question about whether any UK government would ever do a deal that made medicines much more expensive for the NHS, and therefore the taxpayer - this would be massively costly for the government and likely deeply unpopular.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:10 am
by StillSpike
So if the UK ministers' "Red line" in the talks is that the Health Service should NOT be any part of a Trade Deal, and the USA "Red Line" in that it should, then that would mean there'll be no trade deal.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:37 am
by Thor
RedO wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:55 am Boris has been running around promising the NHS is not for sale.

He'll now say these are just trade agreements between the NHS and the US, they're not actually selling the NHS.

Thickies will believe it.

Can you imagine if we had a proper media who actually went after the tories on things like this, rather than the angle of Corbyn's glasses.
Apparently those glasses are designed for people who have suffered a stroke. There was media reports some months ago that he’d had one, but denied it.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm
by spen666
So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:23 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
See what I mean.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:24 pm
by spen666
RedO wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:23 pmSee what I mean.
No

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:54 pm
by Constantine
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
I wonder whether the foreign secretary at the time was involved in any of the meetings.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:19 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Constantine wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:54 pm
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
I wonder whether the foreign secretary at the time was involved in any of the meetings.
:lol:

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:27 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
The important thing is what this document doesn't say. It doesn't say the NHS or food standards aren't on the table........

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:40 pm
by spen666
Constantine wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:54 pm
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
I wonder whether the foreign secretary at the time was involved in any of the meetings.
Why not read the documents to find out.

They are easily available, but why the Foreign Secretary would be involved in trade talks between officials not ministers is a strange one

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:10 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:27 pm
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
The important thing is what this document doesn't say. It doesn't say the NHS or food standards aren't on the table........
It doesn’t say the EFL will not be under control of the USA. Now I’m worried. Nor does it say the BBC will not be taken over by Fox News. Bloody hell. Not does it say football won’t be played with a round ball. Catastrophic. Wonder what else it doesn’t say that we should worry about!

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:29 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:10 pm
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:27 pm
spen666 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm So Corbyn's big reveal is an old 451 page document that mentions the NHS 4 times and does not say the NHS is up for sale

Nor were any of the meetings in these notes held under Boris
The important thing is what this document doesn't say. It doesn't say the NHS or food standards aren't on the table........
It doesn’t say the EFL will not be under control of the USA. Now I’m worried. Nor does it say the BBC will not be taken over by Fox News. Bloody hell. Not does it say football won’t be played with a round ball. Catastrophic. Wonder what else it doesn’t say that we should worry about!
I would try to explain the significance of this to you but have decided to just conclude that you're a non-entity and a f*cking half-wit.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:31 pm
by Long slender neck
For a supposed boardroom bellend, he is showing his naivety here.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:29 pm
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:10 pm
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:27 pm

The important thing is what this document doesn't say. It doesn't say the NHS or food standards aren't on the table........
It doesn’t say the EFL will not be under control of the USA. Now I’m worried. Nor does it say the BBC will not be taken over by Fox News. Bloody hell. Not does it say football won’t be played with a round ball. Catastrophic. Wonder what else it doesn’t say that we should worry about!
I would try to explain the significance of this to you but have decided to just conclude that you're a non-entity and a f*cking half-wit.
Well done. I’ve already concluded the same about board moderators. Makes us equal.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:31 pm For a supposed boardroom bellend, he is showing his naivety here.
He's just angry cos they've turned down his application to go on the apprentice every year.

Maffy always becomes more insufferable between now and xmas cos Lord Sugar's on the telly. It's just bitterness as seeing real business contenders fight it out in front of his hero, Claude Littner.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:35 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
At least Andrew Neil hasn't had his interview with Johnson yet, I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this NHS sell-off issue.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:36 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:29 pm
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:10 pm

It doesn’t say the EFL will not be under control of the USA. Now I’m worried. Nor does it say the BBC will not be taken over by Fox News. Bloody hell. Not does it say football won’t be played with a round ball. Catastrophic. Wonder what else it doesn’t say that we should worry about!
I would try to explain the significance of this to you but have decided to just conclude that you're a non-entity and a f*cking half-wit.
Well done. I’ve already concluded the same about board moderators. Makes us equal.
Ok Boomer.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:37 pm
by Father Ted Crilly
RedO wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:35 pm At least Andrew Neil hasn't had his interview with Johnson yet, I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this NHS sell-off issue.
Ain't happening pal. Bojo's people won't put him on and AN aint brave enough to empty chair him.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:40 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
RedO wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:35 pm At least Andrew Neil hasn't had his interview with Johnson yet, I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this NHS sell-off issue.
I’m looking forward to it. Hope he gives Boris a rough ride and brings up this NHS issue. Given my utter disrespect for both leaders I shall be quite pleased to see Boris squirm the same way Corbyn did.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:40 pm
by F*ck The Poor & Fat
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:36 pm
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:34 pm
Father Ted Crilly wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:29 pm

I would try to explain the significance of this to you but have decided to just conclude that you're a non-entity and a f*cking half-wit.
Well done. I’ve already concluded the same about board moderators. Makes us equal.
Ok Boomer.
No problem chips.

Re: Tory / US NHS Sell Off

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:44 pm
by Long slender neck
dOh Nut wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:40 pm
RedO wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:35 pm At least Andrew Neil hasn't had his interview with Johnson yet, I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this NHS sell-off issue.
I’m looking forward to it. Hope he gives Boris a rough ride and brings up this NHS issue. Given my utter disrespect for both leaders I shall be quite pleased to see Boris squirm the same way Corbyn did.
Bottlejob Boris wont agree to one.