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No. I'm just not wasting my morning educating someone that is entrenched in their view. Do your own research.Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 amIs that the only answer you have got?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:49 amMy god. You really are f*cking stupid. How old are you? 50s? 60s?
Answer the question.
No need to get personal, Biggsy. I dont understand why they would turn their backs on other kids if they were on free school meals.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 amThese dickheads suffered when they were young, so they now think everyone else should too. Clearly their borderline alcoholic Dads never showed them any love. Emotionally stunted pricks.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 amThere were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
I don't give a f***. They're absolute scumbags with no empathy and I'll treat them as such.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 amNo need to get personal, Biggsy. I dont understand why they would turn their backs on other kids if they were on free school meals.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 amThese dickheads suffered when they were young, so they now think everyone else should too. Clearly their borderline alcoholic Dads never showed them any love. Emotionally stunted pricks.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am
There were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
I was also on free school meals, not that it bad, I go the same crap food as everyone else, more a pain of going to get the actually dinner ticket and some people looking down their nose. But I might not have been able to eat because of them, so i'm grateful and hope as many kids that need them can use them. I just dont understand selfishness in our society, never have and never will.
Back in Thatchers day Housing benefit was 100 % paid in full .Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 amThere were more starving kids?Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:47 amAnd why do you think we need food banks now and we didn’t need them in the early 80s under Thatcher with 3.3 million unemployed?Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:41 am And just two pages of this thread show part of why the poor will always be poor and some desperate. Give to food banks, people.
https://www.trusselltrust.org/gift-9/
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
Insults with no constructive argument.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 amThese dickheads suffered when they were young, so they now think everyone else should too. Clearly their borderline alcoholic Dads never showed them any love. Emotionally stunted pricks.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 amThere were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
Do you pay Council Tax when you are on UC?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:58 amBack in Thatchers day Housing benefit was 100 % paid in full .Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 amThere were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
Now its about 85% & Council tax only came in at the end of her time.
Rates were far cheaper in comparison than banded
Council/ bedroom tax , therefore the money provided to live
on starts to be used to pay bills before you shop.
In fact im pretty sure if you were on benefits back then you
didnt have to pay rates & if you did.it was a tiny amount
Rather than virtually a quarter as it is today.
Rates & full benefits helped people not going short of food .
You're right, everyones situation is the same as you the one you was in. It's all very black and white.Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:01 amInsults with no constructive argument.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 amThese dickheads suffered when they were young, so they now think everyone else should too. Clearly their borderline alcoholic Dads never showed them any love. Emotionally stunted pricks.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am
There were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
My Dad live through the 1930s so he knew what real poverty was.
A lifelong Labour voter who lived within his means.
Yes .Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:04 amDo you pay Council Tax when you are on UC?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:58 amBack in Thatchers day Housing benefit was 100 % paid in full .Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am
There were more starving kids?
I wasn't around then, and frankly, I'm not sure why it matters.
If you are cool with kids not being able to eat then it's not me you have to square that with.
Now its about 85% & Council tax only came in at the end of her time.
Rates were far cheaper in comparison than banded
Council/ bedroom tax , therefore the money provided to live
on starts to be used to pay bills before you shop.
In fact im pretty sure if you were on benefits back then you
didnt have to pay rates & if you did.it was a tiny amount
Rather than virtually a quarter as it is today.
Rates & full benefits helped people not going short of food .
What was bigoted about what I said? Again, good you've managed time to find a reason to moan about migrants. Where is the relevance?Oiram wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:00 amTypical lefty retort, bigoted and without justification. Just like Raynor yesterday in the Commons. Funny how homelessness and child poverty seemingly grew after 1997 when Blair was elected. He of course now has a property portfolio of circa 100 million quid. Opened the floodgates to let in millions into the UK , many economic migrants. There have been and always will be families who cannot budget their money prudently. There are sufficient safeguards in place and a welfare system in place to protect children. Parental responsibility is the key.PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:05 pmHorrible, and thick. Although your shoehorning in of the EU did make your rubbish take marginally more amusing.Oiram wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:56 pm
People who cannot afford to feed their children should not have children.
There has been in existence contingencies in place post war means to support families in need , the benefit system. What do people do with this money?
At what point does the state stop nursing people ? Some parental responsibility is required at some point. Rashford is being put up by Lefty Remoaning bigots for their own political agenda.
They need their mobile phone, or at least a laptop plus internet as they have many expectations to keep up to on UC. Now the DWP expect everything to be done online it means that is a necessity.DuvB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:37 amExactly. Perhaps if the parents gave up their mobile phone contracts or stopped smoking, they could afford to give them some buttered toast as well.Cavalier wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 pmDepend on what you call poverty.Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:52 pm I heard on he radio earlier today and have since read that the commons voted down extending free meals for pupils. How can the clowns that voted that down sleep well at night, it’s an absolute disgrace. No one should live in poverty in this country, no child should go without food and especially in this mad world we currently live in help should be extended and more arms wrapped around people that need help and support.
I’m fuming and I’m going to be writing to my mp to complain and ask he makes representation to the minister responsible and even lobby the pm.
Time for action people, hopefully a few more of you will reach out to your mp and show your disgust at this turn of events.
Who is with me?
A bowl of Porridge is 7p and kids get sent to school starving?
You can cook a meal from scratch at little cost.
This by the way is from a life long Labour voter.
Tuffers,tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:20 amYes .Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:04 amDo you pay Council Tax when you are on UC?tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:58 am
Back in Thatchers day Housing benefit was 100 % paid in full .
Now its about 85% & Council tax only came in at the end of her time.
Rates were far cheaper in comparison than banded
Council/ bedroom tax , therefore the money provided to live
on starts to be used to pay bills before you shop.
In fact im pretty sure if you were on benefits back then you
didnt have to pay rates & if you did.it was a tiny amount
Rather than virtually a quarter as it is today.
Rates & full benefits helped people not going short of food .
I paid £250 taken directly from my benefits in monthly instalments
However due to covid , it has been stopped , they will try to charge me
the full £8-900 from 1st april 2020 as i havent provided them the
paperwork to say i am entitled to discount.
However i got the letter on the 28th of March &
The Library was closed on the 23rd March .
( you can only present info at the library &
they email it to the correct dept now).
So we shall see .
That £25.00 or so would help me with food at the end of the month
I can promise you that .
I smoke but havent paid for tobacco in over a year due to the generosity of my
2 sisters just papers & filters which is about £6 a month.
I also used a Food bank for a short period after having to make an
Adjustment from a household income ( My Mum & Me )
of £2600 a month down to £ 251 a month after deductions for benefit .
The food on offer was pretty kack for my tastes so id pick up veg occasionally
if they had it or lots of tinned stuff which sat in the cupboard as it tasted like sh*t.
So stopped using it .
UC is upto £380 now but still short of 25 a month paying off Council tax
As a Full time carer for my mum we had her pension & disability living allowance ofCavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:39 amTuffers,
Is that right, you have an household income of £2600 PM?
I have been out of work for 10 months. So yes,I know the price and value of everything.
*Ability not sense.
Yes i did
Sense not ability.PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:56 am*Ability not sense.
Because you had the ability to put something away for a rainy day. Everyone wants to save. You were in a position to put away at least £16,000. Correct? Not everyone is. But, I still think you should be being looked after better.
Hope you find something soon and good luck to you.
Can i ask you how old you are ?
It’s nothing to do with empathy. It’s whether you believe it’s the job of the state to feed people. These are entrenched political views and nothing whatsoever to do with how kind and generous someone is or isn’t.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:57 amI don't give a f***. They're absolute scumbags with no empathy and I'll treat them as such.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 amNo need to get personal, Biggsy. I dont understand why they would turn their backs on other kids if they were on free school meals.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:53 am
These dickheads suffered when they were young, so they now think everyone else should too. Clearly their borderline alcoholic Dads never showed them any love. Emotionally stunted pricks.
I was also on free school meals, not that it bad, I go the same crap food as everyone else, more a pain of going to get the actually dinner ticket and some people looking down their nose. But I might not have been able to eat because of them, so i'm grateful and hope as many kids that need them can use them. I just dont understand selfishness in our society, never have and never will.
Nope, ability (you can say sense too, but ability is the key).Cavalier wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:02 amSense not ability.PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:56 am*Ability not sense.
Because you had the ability to put something away for a rainy day. Everyone wants to save. You were in a position to put away at least £16,000. Correct? Not everyone is. But, I still think you should be being looked after better.
Hope you find something soon and good luck to you.
I bought a Vauxhall Cavalier in 1999 and used it for work everyday and have still got it. 250 k on the clock.
Paid my mortgage off 10 years ago.
I did these on a average wage and tried not to waste a penny on a load of unnecessary rubbish.
*If the state needs to or should, as an investment.Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:06 amIt’s nothing to do with empathy. It’s whether you believe it’s the job of the state to feed people. These are entrenched political views and nothing whatsoever to do with how kind and generous someone is or isn’t.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:57 amI don't give a f***. They're absolute scumbags with no empathy and I'll treat them as such.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 am
No need to get personal, Biggsy. I dont understand why they would turn their backs on other kids if they were on free school meals.
I was also on free school meals, not that it bad, I go the same crap food as everyone else, more a pain of going to get the actually dinner ticket and some people looking down their nose. But I might not have been able to eat because of them, so i'm grateful and hope as many kids that need them can use them. I just dont understand selfishness in our society, never have and never will.
