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No , it's not . In fact is bloody abysmal .Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:19 am I don’t really do American politics but never mind policies, am I right in thinking the best candidates the Democrats could offer up in the last 8 years have been Hilary Clinton, Jo Biden and Kamala Harris? That’s not very good really, is it.
This clip shows how the political establishment tried to mock and humiliate him. The condescending smugness of Obama now makes him look ridiculous in retrospect.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:09 pmYes. It's incredible.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:11 pm For the older boarders and politics/history aficionados on the board.
Better comeback than Nixon?
I see that Biden is going to help Trump with the transfer of power and that Harris HAS conceded. The offer was NOT reciprocated when Trump lost. We should expect civility from politicians..
That clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:17 am I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.
Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whateverLong slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:01 pm Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?
Pathological narcissism is a helluva drugDunners wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:20 amThat clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:17 am I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.
They’re centrists, American politicians doesn’t have a functioning left wingRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:57 amWhat are the Democrats ? Answers on a postcard please . Anyway I know you're not that thick Tuffers . I know you just like to tease .Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:54 amRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:49 am
The problem is there's no point branding your political opponents things like that while having no answers for fixing the problems that you , yourself created . Trump is back in power because of the failure of left wing policies . Edit . I agree with your second point . I don't think the Democrats could have chosen a worse candidate who in turn chose the worse running mate . I still believe anybody half decent who actually knew what they were talking about would have given Trump a much tougher race
What left wing?
Maybe someone should send this to matey from Hope Not Hate?Wally Banter wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:04 am The most depressing element here is how far we are away from a society in which most people (including myself in this) can:
- understand political issues (like the economy) at even a rudimentary level;
- recognise non-defensively the influences of power and oppression
- properly appraise information and its credibility (including media bias)
- explore their individual unconscious biases and insecurities, and how these might affect their decisions
- listen to opposing views with openness and empathy, rather than blaming, attacking and judging which only widens the divide with others
I wish these things would be prioritised in education, so that we might end up with future generations of astute, politically engaged, reasonable people.
Isn't this a bit of a retcon? Trump had been spending years promoting a racist conspiracy theory about Obama, which is what really launched his political career. That being a racist didn't immediately disqualify the guy but actually gave him a platform to build from his a key part of his rise.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:08 amThis clip shows how the political establishment tried to mock and humiliate him. The condescending smugness of Obama now makes him look ridiculous in retrospect.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:09 pmYes. It's incredible.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:11 pm For the older boarders and politics/history aficionados on the board.
Better comeback than Nixon?
We can agree that Trump is an abhorrent person, but anyone who doesn't now respect his determinism and resilience is doomed to forever underestimate their opponents and always blames others for their own shortcomings.
If only he didnt love terrorists etc.oxo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:26 amCorbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whateverLong slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:01 pm Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/
I read that many trade unions are increasingly aligned with the Republicans. Depending on the definition of left wing, if true*, that would increasingly make the GOP the party of the working class, and the Democrats the party of the liberal progressive class.oxo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:33 amThey’re centrists, American politicians doesn’t have a functioning left wingRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:57 amWhat are the Democrats ? Answers on a postcard please . Anyway I know you're not that thick Tuffers . I know you just like to tease .
See above - the RW press were very successful at painting a lifelong anti-war, anti-racism man as a terrorist loving racist.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:50 amIf only he didnt love terrorists etc.oxo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:26 amCorbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whateverLong slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:01 pm Why don't the goodies have some policies that would actually excite and inspire people?
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/
Hi Terry.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:05 am You’re right. May and then Johnson were so much more ‘fit for office’, whatever that means.
Exactly. Not letting something go isn’t something that takes effort - it’s a compulsion. He doesn’t deserve respect for it (and I certainly don’t deserve respect for the “not letting stuff go” thing - if anything I’m self aware enough to get that that’s an obnoxious barrier to me actually communicating wellDunners wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:20 amThat clip was from 2011. 13 years ago. Aside from Trump, the only other person I know who cannot let something go and will keep at it for that length of time is you.CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:17 am I don’t think he’s “resilient” so much as he’s just incapable of dealing with not getting what he wants, with the resources to never have to stop trying. Wouldn’t say that that’s particularly worthy of respect.
)This is what is meant by the unwillingness of the left to reflect. May and Johnson were indeed unfit for office, but that doesn’t deal with the criticisms of Corbyn.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:05 am You’re right. May and then Johnson were so much more ‘fit for office’, whatever that means.
Some thickos are actually right.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:59 amSee above - the RW press were very successful at painting a lifelong anti-war, anti-racism man as a terrorist loving racist.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:50 amIf only he didnt love terrorists etc.oxo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:26 am
Corbyn’s policies, when put to voters, were very popular but the RW press was very successful at painting him personally as unfit for office cos he didn’t wear a tie or ate lentils or whatever
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/john-curtice-labo ... -policies/
Some thickos still believe it to this day.
Really!Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:16 amHelps to keep your costs down when you know a bloke at Twitter…
