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Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:29 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:04 am

Real Al wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:28 am What position was it that everyone wanted Labour to have on tiers?

Labour are her majestys opposition .

They are there to challenge the decisions of
Her Maj's Govt aren't they ?

Isnt that how politics works ?

For some who claims to know how politics work you seem to struggle on how negotiations work.

For someone who knows how politics works
One realises that to get your way you have to
Think at the same level as those less clever .

If there was any doubt the Tories value money over health

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... SApp_Other

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:29 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:04 am

Labour are her majestys opposition .

They are there to challenge the decisions of
Her Maj's Govt aren't they ?

Isnt that how politics works ?

For some who claims to know how politics work you seem to struggle on how negotiations work.

For someone who knows how politics works
One realises that to get your way you have to
Think at the same level as those less clever .

Or when negotiating you don’t start by telling everybody what you are prepared to accept. Having reached an agreement where the other party feels they have won when in reality you have conceded far less than you were originally prepared too is good negotiation, but you have to have broad shoulders.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:29 pm

For some who claims to know how politics work you seem to struggle on how negotiations work.

For someone who knows how politics works
One realises that to get your way you have to
Think at the same level as those less clever .

Or when negotiating you don’t start by telling everybody what you are prepared to accept. Having reached an agreement where the other party feels they have won when in reality you have conceded far less than you were originally prepared too is good negotiation, but you have to have broad shoulders.

How does abstaining on bill vote mean you
Are negotiating ?

You are saying you disagree completely &
Therefore will not be responsible for it .

Tories introduce easily defendable policy by stereotyping themselves and highlighting least defendable part of said policy

Their comms are Corbyn level sh*t

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm

For someone who knows how politics works
One realises that to get your way you have to
Think at the same level as those less clever .

Or when negotiating you don’t start by telling everybody what you are prepared to accept. Having reached an agreement where the other party feels they have won when in reality you have conceded far less than you were originally prepared too is good negotiation, but you have to have broad shoulders.

How does abstaining on bill vote mean you
Are negotiating ?

You are saying you disagree completely &
Therefore will not be responsible for it .

You want £4K for a car. You advertise for £5k. A buyer knocks you down to £4.25k you accept. The buyer claims the win, the seller gets more than he wanted. Who is the real winner. Poor example, but a lifetime working with people negotiating deals. Appearances can be deceptive. Hence my broad shoulders comment.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:32 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:03 pm

Or when negotiating you don’t start by telling everybody what you are prepared to accept. Having reached an agreement where the other party feels they have won when in reality you have conceded far less than you were originally prepared too is good negotiation, but you have to have broad shoulders.

How does abstaining on bill vote mean you
Are negotiating ?

You are saying you disagree completely &
Therefore will not be responsible for it .

You want £4K for a car. You advertise for £5k. A buyer knocks you down to £4.25k you accept. The buyer claims the win, the seller gets more than he wanted. Who is the real winner. Poor example, but a lifetime working with people negotiating deals. Appearances can be deceptive. Hence my broad shoulders comment.

2nd hand car dealing is NOT POLITICS.
YES you are correcta terrible Example !!

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:27 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:32 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 pm

How does abstaining on bill vote mean you
Are negotiating ?

You are saying you disagree completely &
Therefore will not be responsible for it .

You want £4K for a car. You advertise for £5k. A buyer knocks you down to £4.25k you accept. The buyer claims the win, the seller gets more than he wanted. Who is the real winner. Poor example, but a lifetime working with people negotiating deals. Appearances can be deceptive. Hence my broad shoulders comment.

2nd hand car dealing is NOT POLITICS.
YES you are correcta terrible Example !!

Bad example. But good negotiating, negotiating impacts all parts of life, including politics. You know that as much as I do.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:27 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:32 pm

You want £4K for a car. You advertise for £5k. A buyer knocks you down to £4.25k you accept. The buyer claims the win, the seller gets more than he wanted. Who is the real winner. Poor example, but a lifetime working with people negotiating deals. Appearances can be deceptive. Hence my broad shoulders comment.

2nd hand car dealing is NOT POLITICS.
YES you are correcta terrible Example !!

Bad example. But good negotiating, negotiating impacts all parts of life, including politics. You know that as much as I do.

So boris was just negotiating when he said

No free school meals
No Face masks in schools
No extension on Eviction bans
No regrading of a level exams
No masks in shops
No we wont stop dealing with huwaeii
No to bereavement scheme

?

Not negotiating, just pontificating.

Pontificating, then completely changed his mind because
he wouldnt/didnt negotiate with a labour opposition .

Doh a govt makes decisions & an
Opposition challenges those decisions .

Very little negotiating gets done until
something needs to be passed into law.

Loads of riches poured out to their special friends and donors.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-role

Thousands of businesses are going bust and millions of people are losing their livelihood (and then potentially their homes) as a consequence of Covid and Brexshit - yet in the world of the Tory elite there are ever more rich pickings!
Even the PM's latest female partner can now bestow wealth to her mates!

Absolutely shocking, but not unexpected. E10 I've said it on here many times they all look after themselves and couldn't give two hoots for the ordinary man women or child.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:35 am Absolutely shocking, but not unexpected. E10 I've said it on here many times they all look after themselves and couldn't give two hoots for the ordinary man women or child.

‘They’?

You mean the Tory scum. Call it as it is.

No dis they are all at it. It seems you forget the expenses scandal for example?

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:35 am Absolutely shocking, but not unexpected. E10 I've said it on here many times they all look after themselves and couldn't give two hoots for the ordinary man women or child.

No, you don’t get to excuse the crooks in your Tory party like this. This is purely about them.

They are not all the same.

Second highest covid spending of any country in the developed world. One of the highest death rates. Deepest economic impact.

I don't understand why this isn't headline or near headline news every single day. I don't understand why supposed patriots aren't furious. We're going to live with the consequences of this momentous f*ck up for decades. Break up of the UK, battered public finances, deepened distrust of government, lower earnings, higher taxes, further shredding of public services and social support.

These Cold War Steve images. I see them on Twitter all the time and they're clearly liked by many. But I'm just not getting what it is about them that is supposed to be smart or funny. I mean, the first one or two sort of grabbed my attention a bit but the novelty soon wore off.

Am I missing the point or something? Is it just a satirical gimmick? I appreciate that having to explain a joke kind of ruins it, but I'm not entirely sure there is still a joke to be ruined.

You must be a big fan of bojo & the tory's
if you dont see the Humour .

The old English Sheep Dog
Chasing the Foriegner type for
knicking OUR FISH .



Its Brilliant as are most of them.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 am These Cold War Steve images. I see them on Twitter all the time and they're clearly liked by many. But I'm just not getting what it is about them that is supposed to be smart or funny. I mean, the first one or two sort of grabbed my attention a bit but the novelty soon wore off.

Am I missing the point or something? Is it just a satirical gimmick? I appreciate that having to explain a joke kind of ruins it, but I'm not entirely sure there is still a joke to be ruined.

Agree 100%. Not one of them has been remotely funny and it seems only Tiffers finds them amusing.

Says it all really.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:39 am You must be a big fan of bojo & the tory's
if you dont see the Humour .

The old English Sheep Dog
Chasing the Foriegner type for
knicking OUR FISH .



Its Brilliant as are most of them.

Genuinely not knocking you if you find them funny. I was just curious.

And yes, I'm a massive fan of bojo and the tories. So, there is that.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:44 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 am These Cold War Steve images. I see them on Twitter all the time and they're clearly liked by many. But I'm just not getting what it is about them that is supposed to be smart or funny. I mean, the first one or two sort of grabbed my attention a bit but the novelty soon wore off.

Am I missing the point or something? Is it just a satirical gimmick? I appreciate that having to explain a joke kind of ruins it, but I'm not entirely sure there is still a joke to be ruined.

Agree 100%. Not one of them has been remotely funny and it seems only Tiffers finds them amusing.

Says it all really.

Do you 100 % agree its in seriously bad taste to abuse someone for
A chronic health condition as well Des ?

Seriously !!

If id said id gone for a guinea pig test for A CANCER drug would you
You take The p155 out of that would you ?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:17 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:39 am You must be a big fan of bojo & the tory's
if you dont see the Humour .

The old English Sheep Dog
Chasing the Foriegner type for
knicking OUR FISH .



Its Brilliant as are most of them.

Genuinely not knocking you if you find them funny. I was just curious.

And yes, I'm a massive fan of bojo and the tories. So, there is that.

I thought the champagne socialist quip was funny .

Maybe thats what the difference is .

I can see the humour in both sides .