Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Simple Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:01 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Two subjects in one thread. Here goes
I dont ever remember hearing anyone at the club spelling out EXACTLY what Lings role is. I presume a DOF is a link between the manager and the chairman. The DOF would do all the players contracts, and talk to players and their agents about contractual stuff etc, but does Ling do any more than that?
Does he really choose the players to be signed, does he have any input in training and fitness etc. Id like it spelled out to me exactly what he does

Now, tangled in that is this so called Transfer committee. I thought that came about because we had a rookie manager ( Ross), who needed help with transfers because of his inexperience. Whether that was true or not, i have no idea, but if it was, once Kenny, with years of experience came here, that transfer committee should have disappeared IMO. Kennys been dealing with players for years, he needs no help from this transfer committee.( or Ling).

Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level, but if we are to have one, his role should be clearly defined, and not include choosing players for the first team squad. If he is actually choosing players, then Ling hasnt covered himself in glory, having brought more below par players here, than good ones.
This DOF's role is confusing because we dont know exactly what it is, and what Ling does exactly

His role is none of your business. It is part of the management structure Travis and Teague have implemented to run the club. They are the owners, they are subsidizing the club and they don't need to issue their job descriptions to us.

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level

Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:18 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level

Yet you've basically said you don't know what the role entails...

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:16 pm

Simple Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:01 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Two subjects in one thread. Here goes
I dont ever remember hearing anyone at the club spelling out EXACTLY what Lings role is. I presume a DOF is a link between the manager and the chairman. The DOF would do all the players contracts, and talk to players and their agents about contractual stuff etc, but does Ling do any more than that?
Does he really choose the players to be signed, does he have any input in training and fitness etc. Id like it spelled out to me exactly what he does

Now, tangled in that is this so called Transfer committee. I thought that came about because we had a rookie manager ( Ross), who needed help with transfers because of his inexperience. Whether that was true or not, i have no idea, but if it was, once Kenny, with years of experience came here, that transfer committee should have disappeared IMO. Kennys been dealing with players for years, he needs no help from this transfer committee.( or Ling).

Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level, but if we are to have one, his role should be clearly defined, and not include choosing players for the first team squad. If he is actually choosing players, then Ling hasnt covered himself in glory, having brought more below par players here, than good ones.
This DOF's role is confusing because we dont know exactly what it is, and what Ling does exactly

His role is none of your business. It is part of the management structure Travis and Teague have implemented to run the club. They are the owners, they are subsidizing the club and they don't need to issue their job descriptions to us.

Fans subsidise the club too.

Of course, they don’t have to tell us. But it would be a good way to bring fans on board with their plans and how they are running our club, for checks and balances like. Not like we’ve had any owners implementing a DoF shrouded in secrecy before.

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:22 pm

Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:18 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level

Yet you've basically said you don't know what the role entails...

I know what it entails usually, but i question whether lings role entails more than the usual role

Simple Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:35 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:16 pm

Simple Man wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:01 pm

His role is none of your business. It is part of the management structure Travis and Teague have implemented to run the club. They are the owners, they are subsidizing the club and they don't need to issue their job descriptions to us.

Fans subsidise the club too.

Of course, they don’t have to tell us. But it would be a good way to bring fans on board with their plans and how they are running our club, for checks and balances like. Not like we’ve had any owners implementing a DoF shrouded in secrecy before.

Fans don't subsidize the club. Fans are simply a customer who is purchasing a commodity. You don't go to a store and want to see the purchasing manger if you think the price he is paying and passing on to you is too high. You just go and shop elsewhere. You have the choice.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:10 pm Not having any cover for the right back position was an unforgivable error by Ling.
This should have been attended to in the summer.
We' lost' about 14 players at the end of last season, yet Ling thought it ok to replace the 14, with nine replacements.
So much of what he does is terrible. How he's still here is remarkable IMO

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:10 pm Not having any cover for the right back position was an unforgivable error by Ling.
This should have been attended to in the summer.
We' lost' about 14 players at the end of last season, yet Ling thought it ok to replace the 14, with nine replacements.
So much of what he does is terrible. How he's still here is remarkable IMO

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:58 pm There’s a kid at dagenham who CDAJ

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:58 pm There’s a kid at dagenham who CDAJ

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:10 pm Not having any cover for the right back position was an unforgivable error by Ling.
This should have been attended to in the summer.
We' lost' about 14 players at the end of last season, yet Ling thought it ok to replace the 14, with nine replacements.
So much of what he does is terrible. How he's still here is remarkable IMO

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:03 am What's very disappointing is most of our rivals have brought in players from higher leagues and are now starting to really improve . If we really wanted promotion this season I'm baffled why we didn't do the same thing . The transfer committee wanting young inexperienced players with potential maybe OK for the future but they are not going to get us promoted this season.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:11 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:36 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:10 pm Not having any cover for the right back position was an unforgivable error by Ling.
This should have been attended to in the summer.
We' lost' about 14 players at the end of last season, yet Ling thought it ok to replace the 14, with nine replacements.
So much of what he does is terrible. How he's still here is remarkable IMO

There was cover for the right back position - Beckles and Clay. Whether you like it or not that decision and others for incoming players would not just have just been made by Ling but would have been made in consultation with Jackett and what he wanted the squad to look like.

And like it or not decisions on signings (numbers in etc) would also have been made based on the budget that the board had allocated. It's hardly unforgivable to not have had a second similar quality right back to James and restrict what we could do elsewhere or our ability to improve later in the season.

Example conversation likely would have been along the lines of "Kenny do you want a top quality back-up right back? If so then you can't have as good a forward as Smith or Drinan because we can't afford them or we'll need to bring in a cheaper goalie than Vigouroux?". It would have been massively inefficient to have two similar quality right backs when only one can play at a time and then suffer in other areas. The idea was probably to use Beckles and Clay as short term cover in the event of a suspension or short term injury and to cover the position by bringing in a proper right back if we had a more medium or longer term injury - which we have done

It's not true to say Ling is just making decisions himself without any consultation with anyone else because the DoF needs to work with the head coach, not against him. But as usual he's an easy target for people who like pointing fingers at someone or apportioning blame to feel better about things.

What a hypothetical story in your mind
Who knows what was said / thought / discussed / agreed.
Any chance mate you can do my lottery numbers next week since you know so much about everything.
Amazing story such thoughts of no fact. Your examples are devoid of absolutely no evidence - oh well that your character ain’t it all wind no go .

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:22 pm

Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:18 pm

Jack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:14 am Im not a huge fan of a DOF at our level

Yet you've basically said you don't know what the role entails...

I know what it entails usually, but i question whether lings role entails more than the usual role

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:29 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:19 am

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:11 am

What a hypothetical story in your mind
Who knows what was said / thought / discussed / agreed.
Any chance mate you can do my lottery numbers next week since you know so much about everything.
Amazing story such thoughts of no fact. Your examples are devoid of absolutely no evidence - oh well that your character ain’t it all wind no go .

Any chance you can stop following me around and trolling me please? Since you can't contribute anything sensible or knowledgable about football it's best you stay away from my posts

Any chance you can disappear like CEB
Your post ain’t about football more like a bedtime story in a room full of fools
Talk fact mate not crap stories from a wired mind set

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:03 am What's very disappointing is most of our rivals have brought in players from higher leagues and are now starting to really improve . If we really wanted promotion this season I'm baffled why we didn't do the same thing . The transfer committee wanting young inexperienced players with potential maybe OK for the future but they are not going to get us promoted this season.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:11 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:36 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:10 pm Not having any cover for the right back position was an unforgivable error by Ling.
This should have been attended to in the summer.
We' lost' about 14 players at the end of last season, yet Ling thought it ok to replace the 14, with nine replacements.
So much of what he does is terrible. How he's still here is remarkable IMO

There was cover for the right back position - Beckles and Clay. Whether you like it or not that decision and others for incoming players would not just have just been made by Ling but would have been made in consultation with Jackett and what he wanted the squad to look like.

And like it or not decisions on signings (numbers in etc) would also have been made based on the budget that the board had allocated. It's hardly unforgivable to not have had a second similar quality right back to James and restrict what we could do elsewhere or our ability to improve later in the season.

Example conversation likely would have been along the lines of "Kenny do you want a top quality back-up right back? If so then you can't have as good a forward as Smith or Drinan because we can't afford them or we'll need to bring in a cheaper goalie than Vigouroux?". It would have been massively inefficient to have two similar quality right backs when only one can play at a time and then suffer in other areas. The idea was probably to use Beckles and Clay as short term cover in the event of a suspension or short term injury and to cover the position by bringing in a proper right back if we had a more medium or longer term injury - which we have done

It's not true to say Ling is just making decisions himself without any consultation with anyone else because the DoF needs to work with the head coach, not against him. But as usual he's an easy target for people who like pointing fingers at someone or apportioning blame to feel better about things.

What a hypothetical story in your mind
Who knows what was said / thought / discussed / agreed.
Any chance mate you can do my lottery numbers next week since you know so much about everything.
Amazing story such thoughts of no fact. Your examples are devoid of absolutely no evidence - oh well that your character ain’t it all wind no go .