Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:38 am

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:06 am For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

Please don't dismiss him like that. Maffy can relate to foodbank users from his experience of the Waitrose lunchtime meal deals.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:01 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:52 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:50 am

Is this something like Bleeds Red did a few years ago?

It's something like when he had his name changed to F**k the Poor last year, when he was slagging off foodbank users.

f*** the poor and fat to be precise. Him and his pal Sid were having a right old gammon fest about how fat and poor people were lording it up at foodbanks, turning up in Bentleys, smoking big old Havana’s whilst bags of food were literally being forklifted into their motors.

Well something along those lines anyway. I may we’ll be exaggerating slightly but you get the gist

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:06 am For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:27 am

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:06 am For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

The real problem here Admin is that you perhaps think you are the only person to have got involved in this. Believe me you are not. The name fxxx the poor I find hugely offensive. Hugely offensive. Not too mention totally wrong on so many levels.

There was an organisation involved in setting up food banks, their corporate mantra was to create as many food banks as possible. A goal I felt was wrong.

They had a change at the top and the new goal was to eradicate the need for food banks. Correct.

Their goal today, I have no idea.

Food banks exist, there should not be a need at all in our country and that they exist is a national disgrace. But for an organisation having a goal of expansion, like Starbucks opening coffee shops, is wrong. For sure open them where a need is identified but put efforts into eradicating the need.

As for an approval process. Totally agree, dehumanising is an appropriate word. The other side of the coin was that in the early days of food banks it was often sufficient for people to turn up and get help. A process that was abused. I know it was abused. I’ve seen it get abused. At the expense of those in genuine need. That ain’t right. Processes developed to prevent abuse. You tell me how these things should be managed! I don’t know.

When you dig deeper and look at supermarkets getting involved, even the Government getting involved I really start to struggle with whether supermarkets are genuinely concerned or just seeking an opportunity for self promotion. The ooh look at us, ain’t we good. But better they contribute, even for selfish reasons, than not contribute at all.

It’s a complex issue. One that should not exist, but it does. And one that will continue until the need has been eradicated. Eradication is the goal.

A Pedant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:41 am I take the view that, yes, of course all lives matter, but the fact is there is ingrained, systemic racism against black people, and racism as a whole will never go away until that is eradicated.

If you believe in anti-racism, you don't propagate a counter-slogan being used by racists.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:52 am

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:27 am

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:06 am For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

The real problem here Admin is that you perhaps think you are the only person to have got involved in this. Believe me you are not. The name fxxx the poor I find hugely offensive. Hugely offensive. Not too mention totally wrong on so many levels.

There was an organisation involved in setting up food banks, their corporate mantra was to create as many food banks as possible. A goal I felt was wrong.

They had a change at the top and the new goal was to eradicate the need for food banks. Correct.

Their goal today, I have no idea.

Food banks exist, there should not be a need at all in our country and that they exist is a national disgrace. But for an organisation having a goal of expansion, like Starbucks opening coffee shops, is wrong. For sure open them where a need is identified but put efforts into eradicating the need.

As for an approval process. Totally agree, dehumanising is an appropriate word. The other side of the coin was that in the early days of food banks it was often sufficient for people to turn up and get help. A process that was abused. I know it was abused. I’ve seen it get abused. At the expense of those in genuine need. That ain’t right. Processes developed to prevent abuse. You tell me how these things should be managed! I don’t know.

When you dig deeper and look at supermarkets getting involved, even the Government getting involved I really start to struggle with whether supermarkets are genuinely concerned or just seeking an opportunity for self promotion. The ooh look at us, ain’t we good. But better they contribute, even for selfish reasons, than not contribute at all.

It’s a complex issue. One that should not exist, but it does. And one that will continue until the need has been eradicated. Eradication is the goal.

And still votes for the tories

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:27 am

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:06 am For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

The real problem here Admin is that you perhaps think you are the only person to have got involved in this. Believe me you are not. The name fxxx the poor I find hugely offensive. Hugely offensive. Not too mention totally wrong on so many levels.

There was an organisation involved in setting up food banks, their corporate mantra was to create as many food banks as possible. A goal I felt was wrong.

They had a change at the top and the new goal was to eradicate the need for food banks. Correct.

Their goal today, I have no idea.

Food banks exist, there should not be a need at all in our country and that they exist is a national disgrace. But for an organisation having a goal of expansion, like Starbucks opening coffee shops, is wrong. For sure open them where a need is identified but put efforts into eradicating the need.

As for an approval process. Totally agree, dehumanising is an appropriate word. The other side of the coin was that in the early days of food banks it was often sufficient for people to turn up and get help. A process that was abused. I know it was abused. I’ve seen it get abused. At the expense of those in genuine need. That ain’t right. Processes developed to prevent abuse. You tell me how these things should be managed! I don’t know.

When you dig deeper and look at supermarkets getting involved, even the Government getting involved I really start to struggle with whether supermarkets are genuinely concerned or just seeking an opportunity for self promotion. The ooh look at us, ain’t we good. But better they contribute, even for selfish reasons, than not contribute at all.

It’s a complex issue. One that should not exist, but it does. And one that will continue until the need has been eradicated. Eradication is the goal.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:12 am I think he probably agrees with all of that.

but at the same time, after researching, there's lots of rich people who go hungry between meals too, or after a day at the races just drinking pints of ale.

So can you stop just focussing on one group of people.

All Stomachs Matter.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:34 am Why do you guys bother?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:37 am It's this or pornhub.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:41 am To be fair, I spend a lot of my day trawling the Guardian and Daily Mail, posting provocative comments just to get a reaction. So I'm in no position to judge.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:47 am

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:11 am

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:53 pm By 'British', you mean 'white', i'm assuming?

No, everybody was white, middle class, similar age. Suit and tie clones. The team were largely French, with Dutch and German members. I was an interloper from the U.K. Maybe they just didn’t like me, I know they were quite disrespectful towards the U.K. arm of the business at that time. Made very clear at international management meetings. Who knows, I never knew. They recruited from within their circle as far as I recall.

It’s no big deal. But what sticks in the memory was the feeling of being totally unwanted, a nuisance where they
had to go through the motions to appear fair and unbiased, to play the game whilst knowing, we all knew, I wasn’t going to get to join them. Damned before I opened my mouth. Wrong side of the channel.

Like I say no big deal. Small potatoes, But not something I would want to experience every day of my life.

So a white guy in suits was allegedly treated unfairly by some other white guys in suits. And you call this racism?

Has it crossed your mind they might’ve just thought you were a tw*t?

Oiram wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:56 am

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:01 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:52 am

It's something like when he had his name changed to F**k the Poor last year, when he was slagging off foodbank users.

f*** the poor and fat to be precise. Him and his pal Sid were having a right old gammon fest about how fat and poor people were lording it up at foodbanks, turning up in Bentleys, smoking big old Havana’s whilst bags of food were literally being forklifted into their motors.

Well something along those lines anyway. I may we’ll be exaggerating slightly but you get the gist

Turning up in Bentley’s at a food bank?

I think that is rubbish.

A church near the ground has a food bank that gives food to those in need on Thursdays.

People queue humbly and take a parcel away, been going on about a year. Never seen any obvious abuse of it. Also , a Mosque not far from the ground offers a hot meal , I think most evening . Again, not seen anyone taking advantage. No vetting , all welcome. Have seen cars pulling up and taking meals away but no flash cars. There are various types of food banks all with different modes of operation.

If you go up to the Strand opposite Charing Cross, there and numerous ‘soup kitchens’ every night of the week in winter operating. They offer more than soup these days, a nutritious meal. Many operate individually from churches and charities around London. Many are uncoordinated. They all have well meaning volunteers.
The Strand has obviously become a magnet accordingly for the needy to congregate.

The Night Shelters run by the coordinated churches operate now and provide shelter until about March. They provide additional support, advice, medical attention and mental health support.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:39 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:37 am It's this or pornhub.

What's pornhub?

A Pedant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:41 am I take the view that, yes, of course all lives matter, but the fact is there is ingrained, systemic racism against black people, and racism as a whole will never go away until that is eradicated.

If you believe in anti-racism, you don't propagate a counter-slogan being used by racists.