To avoid derailing the Olympics thread…

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

I think Sean Ingle’s reporting is neutral, it’s just that being committed to reporting the full facts on this is itself something that is framed as a politically slanted act.

(That is to say, I don’t think Ingle has called Khelif a man, used male pronouns, or offered a view on whether he should participate; he’s just reported the whole story)

But I am interested (genuinely) in what aspects of Ingle’s reporting does come over as biased as, whether from deep in a rabbit hole or not, I obviously come at this from an angle

[Long slender neck]

So khelif has been tested independently, but we don't know what the tests exactly were?

If you had nothing to hide you'd just go and get another test and publish the results right?

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

So khelif has been tested independently, but we don't know what the tests exactly were?

If you had nothing to hide you'd just go and get another test and publish the results right?

We know what was tested and what the results were by inference.
The only thing we don’t “know” about the test is the fact of what was found, but that’s only because of the obvious confidentiality of testing. The IBA have, in recent days, invited people to “read between the lines” and the article I linked to the other day was written by someone who has seen the tests.

So, these are the facts from which we can draw inference:

1: the IBA categorises “male” as XY and “female” as XX (that’s their categorisation, to be clear, not the be all and end all of the discussion)

2: the IBA’s female category is open only to those who fit their criteria of “female”

3: after complaints from other sporting bodies, Khelif was targeted for sex testing

4: the sex testing determined that Khelif was not eligible for the female category

[Dunners]

They is a geezer.

[Currywurst and Chips]

But everything about her presents as female…..

[Rich Tea Wellin]

lol https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ng-lawsuit

[Currywurst and Chips]

lol a doomed to fail cry bully attempt

Wonder how far French courts allow for discovery though, could be deliciously counter productive for Kehlif

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Oh I would *love* for him to actually do this. As Pammy says, discovery would be fun.

But again, to stick to facts:

1: Khelif is male with a disorder of sexual development that only impacts males
2: He has not appealed the sex testing that found him ineligible for the female category,
3: therefore there is obviously no basis whatsoever to claim that calling him male amounts to “cyber bullying”

[Proposition Joe]

I think Sean Ingle’s reporting is neutral, it’s just that being committed to reporting the full facts on this is itself something that is framed as a politically slanted act.

(That is to say, I don’t think Ingle has called Khelif a man, used male pronouns, or offered a view on whether he should participate; he’s just reported the whole story)

But I am interested (genuinely) in what aspects of Ingle’s reporting does come over as biased as, whether from deep in a rabbit hole or not, I obviously come at this from an angle

From what I saw - not pretending I did a deep dive or anything - it wasn't so much his reporting which came across as non-neutral, but his social media posts.

[faldO]

The row about men in women's sport looks set to continue in the Paralympics, where trans women are allowed to compete in female categories if they are legally recognised as women (unlike the Olympics).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cpvymmpyjeko

[Currywurst and Chips]

50 year old winning medals in the women’s division

[Currywurst and Chips]

Stunning and brave

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Everything about her presents as female

[Sid Bishop]

Everything about her presents as female

Perez Lopez without a doubt YES.
Valentina Petrillo NO.

Petrillo won 11 national titles in the male T12 category for athletes with visual impairment between 2015 and 2018.
With her wife's support, in 2018 she started living as a woman, and in January 2019 she began hormone therapy.
In 2021, the Italian said in an interview with the BBC that her metabolism changed, resulting in her not being "the energetic person" that she was prior to the hormone therapy, which resulted in her times being slower.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cx2g17w32w4o

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Phew thanks for that Sid

[Sid Bishop]

Phew thanks for that Sid

looks like a man with long hair and strange one here ''Petrillo won 11 national titles in the male T12 category for athletes with visual impairment between 2015 and 2018'' Oh ok and so now running in women's events.
Also ''With her wife's support, in 2018 she started living as a woman, and in January 2019 she began hormone therapy''
Wonder if she had any children with her wife ?

[Long slender neck]

Two kids.

Seems like a very late age to transition.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Always knew apparently. Used to secretly dress in his mums clothes.
Have a guess which of his mums clothes it was.
Was it…
A: his mums woolly jumper
B: his mum’s winter coat
C: his mums bra and knickers