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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm

roffeys money wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:17 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:08 pm

Why would Arabs accept the partition of their land imposed by a third party?

It was not their land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_di ... n_of_Judea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea


So Israel got a better land mass than historically they had before .
as shown by your example of the wiki link
Being that Judah ( Judea is in fact the south west of Israel)

Who was displaced from the rest of what is modern day Israel ?
It would be interesting to know .

Borders and boundries are meaningless and man made. Being from the North of Ireland, you should know better than anyone. It doesn’t matter about the technicalities of the yardage.

You haven’t mentioned Jordan annexing the West Bank either. Strange that.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:56 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm

roffeys money wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:17 pm
It was not their land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_di ... n_of_Judea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea


So Israel got a better land mass than historically they had before .
as shown by your example of the wiki link
Being that Judah ( Judea is in fact the south west of Israel)

Who was displaced from the rest of what is modern day Israel ?
It would be interesting to know .

Borders and boundries are meaningless and man made. Being from the North of Ireland, you should know better than anyone. It doesn’t matter about the technicalities of the yardage.

You haven’t mentioned Jordan annexing the West Bank either. Strange that.

The North of irelands border is not a real border as you say it is man made .
Irelands borders are the Sea , therefore you can claim that it is a natural border.


As for the reasoning of you responding to my link to the ancient Judah &
Who was displaced from the rest of Palestine/Israel from millenia ago
Has nothing to do with any point i made .

Still if you want to expand a little more feel free .
I may garner a better understanding of the direction you are
Now trying to navigate .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:29 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:56 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea


So Israel got a better land mass than historically they had before .
as shown by your example of the wiki link
Being that Judah ( Judea is in fact the south west of Israel)

Who was displaced from the rest of what is modern day Israel ?
It would be interesting to know .

Borders and boundries are meaningless and man made. Being from the North of Ireland, you should know better than anyone. It doesn’t matter about the technicalities of the yardage.

You haven’t mentioned Jordan annexing the West Bank either. Strange that.

The North of irelands border is not a real border as you say it is man made .
Irelands borders are the Sea , therefore you can claim that it is a natural border.


As for the reasoning of you responding to my link to the ancient Judah &
Who was displaced from the rest of Palestine/Israel from millenia ago
Has nothing to do with any point i made .

Still if you want to expand a little more feel free .
I may garner a better understanding of the direction you are
Now trying to navigate .

Exactly, it’s not a real border. The Israeli border is the sea one side too. Borders change in a lot of countries over the years and wars are fought over it. It’s a man made decision to impliment and change them, there aren’t handy markings from God telling everyone what each country should be.

I’m not sure the point you’re getting at. A map of the area from before Judah was its own thing, it shows the whole area is called the Kingdom of Israel

If Britain and America dont step forward to offer a way out, who will?

Points noted Biggsy. I have said all I want to on this matter. At least we can both agree that religion is evil.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:50 am Points noted Biggsy. I have said all I want to on this matter. At least we can both agree that religion is evil.

Me too, I think we’re both in agreement on that. It’s been a pleasure chatting about it with calling each other fannies

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:09 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:50 am Points noted Biggsy. I have said all I want to on this matter. At least we can both agree that religion is evil.

Me too, I think we’re both in agreement on that. It’s been a pleasure chatting about it with calling each other fannies

To do a laugh I did at one point refer to you as Biggsy Morone. I didn't mean it.

Also feel free to consult me on 10th to 15th Century Spanish History and the inter communal relations in Al Andalus with specific reference to the Mozarabs.

Its a bit esoteric I know but having agreed to read my son's dissertation on this subject, initially for style, grammar, spelling purposes, I got dragged in and did some reading about it. It was interesting

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:17 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:09 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:50 am Points noted Biggsy. I have said all I want to on this matter. At least we can both agree that religion is evil.

Me too, I think we’re both in agreement on that. It’s been a pleasure chatting about it with calling each other fannies

To do a laugh I did at one point refer to you as Biggsy Morone. I didn't mean it.

Also feel free to consult me on 10th to 15th Century Spanish History and the inter communal relations in Al Andalus with specific reference to the Mozarabs.

Its a bit esoteric I know but having agreed to read my son's dissertation on this subject, initially for style, grammar, spelling purposes, I got dragged in and did some reading about it. It was interesting

I’ve been called a lot worse . Doing some reading the last few days has opened my eyes to how complex the whole situation is and how far back it actually goes.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:01 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:29 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:56 am

Borders and boundries are meaningless and man made. Being from the North of Ireland, you should know better than anyone. It doesn’t matter about the technicalities of the yardage.

You haven’t mentioned Jordan annexing the West Bank either. Strange that.

The North of irelands border is not a real border as you say it is man made .
Irelands borders are the Sea , therefore you can claim that it is a natural border.


As for the reasoning of you responding to my link to the ancient Judah &
Who was displaced from the rest of Palestine/Israel from millenia ago
Has nothing to do with any point i made .

Still if you want to expand a little more feel free .
I may garner a better understanding of the direction you are
Now trying to navigate .

Exactly, it’s not a real border. The Israeli border is the sea one side too. Borders change in a lot of countries over the years and wars are fought over it. It’s a man made decision to impliment and change them, there aren’t handy markings from God telling everyone what each country should be.

I’m not sure the point you’re getting at. A map of the area from before Judah was its own thing, it shows the whole area is called the Kingdom of Israel

If its not a real border , why is anyone fighting ?
To say Judah iwas its own thing is a bit weak to be fair .

After all didnt Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt ?

I'm genuinely not arguing any facts here , which you seem to think I am .
I am merely seeking knowledge about what technically is an area greater
Than Judea .
Weren't the Israelites originally from Cannan ?

Im really only trying to see what defines someones
rights to a homeland of what was a region dominated by
Pharohs & Deserts .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:29 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:01 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:29 am

The North of irelands border is not a real border as you say it is man made .
Irelands borders are the Sea , therefore you can claim that it is a natural border.


As for the reasoning of you responding to my link to the ancient Judah &
Who was displaced from the rest of Palestine/Israel from millenia ago
Has nothing to do with any point i made .

Still if you want to expand a little more feel free .
I may garner a better understanding of the direction you are
Now trying to navigate .

Exactly, it’s not a real border. The Israeli border is the sea one side too. Borders change in a lot of countries over the years and wars are fought over it. It’s a man made decision to impliment and change them, there aren’t handy markings from God telling everyone what each country should be.

I’m not sure the point you’re getting at. A map of the area from before Judah was its own thing, it shows the whole area is called the Kingdom of Israel

If its not a real border , why is anyone fighting ?
To say Judah iwas its own thing is a bit weak to be fair .

After all didnt Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt ?

I'm genuinely not arguing any facts here , which you seem to think I am .
I am merely seeking knowledge about what technically is an area greater
Than Judea .
Weren't the Israelites originally from Cannan ?

Im really only trying to see what defines someones
rights to a homeland of what was a region dominated by
Pharohs & Deserts .

Feom the map I saw, The Kingdom of Israel was the north of what Israel is now and Judah is a portion below it not including Gaza.

I know you’re not, what you’re describing shows how complex this whole thing is. Both sides have a claim to the land for various reasons.

Catholics in the north of Ireland can have Irish citizenship if they want, despite the technicalities for what of a better word. It seems like this highly emotive issue is treated like a black and white subject.

Canaan was the whole region wasn’t it? A lot bigger, including what is now Lebanon and part of Syria and extended south east.

I’m pretty much done talking about it. You’ve raised some good points that I’m going to read up on though

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:29 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:01 am
Exactly, it’s not a real border. The Israeli border is the sea one side too. Borders change in a lot of countries over the years and wars are fought over it. It’s a man made decision to impliment and change them, there aren’t handy markings from God telling everyone what each country should be.

I’m not sure the point you’re getting at. A map of the area from before Judah was its own thing, it shows the whole area is called the Kingdom of Israel

If its not a real border , why is anyone fighting ?
To say Judah iwas its own thing is a bit weak to be fair .

After all didnt Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt ?

I'm genuinely not arguing any facts here , which you seem to think I am .
I am merely seeking knowledge about what technically is an area greater
Than Judea .
Weren't the Israelites originally from Cannan ?

Im really only trying to see what defines someones
rights to a homeland of what was a region dominated by
Pharohs & Deserts .

Feom the map I saw, The Kingdom of Israel was the north of what Israel is now and Judah is a portion below it not including Gaza.

I know you’re not, what you’re describing shows how complex this whole thing is. Both sides have a claim to the land for various reasons.

Catholics in the north of Ireland can have Irish citizenship if they want, despite the technicalities for what of a better word. It seems like this highly emotive issue is treated like a black and white subject.

Canaan was the whole region wasn’t it? A lot bigger, including what is now Lebanon and part of Syria and extended south east.

I’m pretty much done talking about it. You’ve raised some good points that I’m going to read up on though

Im not sure why you keep referring to Ireland be it south west east or north as we have already agreed an island is bordered specifically only by the sea.


Canaan if you read about it throws even more confusion into things .

As i am aware admittedly from reading a thin history of the israelites &
The Old testamemnt which purports to be the Torah when in fact it is an
incomplete version of the Torah ,

Canaan is the foundation of the Israelites
& therefore the birthplace of Israel ?


But Moses was spoken to by God at Mount Sinai &
Where he was told to lead the Israelites out of Egypt
to the promised land .

My apologies to any of our Jewish board members
If i have given a pithy ( is that the right word)
Explanation of the start of Judaism but im trying to
find out what was before Judaism & the Israelites &
am in no way trying to Insult the religion or the people
of the religon .


Its a Fascinating history of an area as well as in the
Context of all 3 abrahamic faiths .

I see even some of Israel’s staunchest media defenders and apologists, like Jonathan Friedland, are feeling a bit uncomfortable with this latest episode...

Today is the anniversary of the State of Israel ( and what a state it is!)

The first country to recognise it was......no surprise...USA. President Truman took all of eleven minutes to recognise it.
73 years later there are about a dozen countries that still do not recognise it

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:08 am To put things into perspective, I'm more worried about how Im going to fit a new toilet seat.... Getting the right size spanner etc etc etc

If those idiots are happy blowing each other up them let them get on with it

I've successfully replaced my toilet seat, now what's happening in the middle east ?

PutneyO wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:05 pm

PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:08 am To put things into perspective, I'm more worried about how Im going to fit a new toilet seat.... Getting the right size spanner etc etc etc

If those idiots are happy blowing each other up them let them get on with it

I've successfully replaced my toilet seat, now what's happening in the middle east ?

Did you fit the one with the silent close mechanism?

"f*** the Jews. Rape their daughters"

Idiots

If they'd said zionists they'd of got away with it

At least they stopped at a red light.

Before social media, Israel could use this" we are the victims " bollocks, and get away with it, but now their crimes are videoed for all to see.
No more hiding

Before social media, British based anti semites could use this" we are the victims " bollocks, and get away with it, but now their crimes are videoed for all to see.
No more hiding

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:15 pm Before social media, British based anti semites could use this" we are the victims " bollocks, and get away with it, but now their crimes are videoed for all to see.
No more hiding

Ah yes, i forgot, the old antisemitism shtick...never fails to shut down a conversation eh?

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:15 pm Before social media, British based anti semites could use this" we are the victims " bollocks, and get away with it, but now their crimes are videoed for all to see.
No more hiding

Ah yes, i forgot, the old antisemitism shtick...never fails to shut down a conversation eh?

Wish it did, sadly, racist filth like you still continue your hatred unabated

This local Rabbi was certainly on the receiving end of some robust criticism of the Zionist, facist apartheid state of Israel.

coyos, was it you driving that white car in the middle? It wouldn't surprise me.