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Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:29 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Housed and £40 a week by the looks of it while they wait for the claim to be processed, pass and the whole family can come over. Fail and we ask them nicely to leave while funding their appeal and ongoing living costs. You couldnt make it up!
For clarity:
Free healthcare and education throughout too (even post application failure)
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:32 pm
by Long slender neck
I dont begrudge people trying to make a better life for their families, but its easy to see why we are seen as the land of milk and honey when this is what people get when they go about their application the wrong way. I bet those trying to do it legally get much less.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:39 pm
by Kimpon
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:29 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Housed and £40 a week by the looks of it while they wait for the claim to be processed, pass and the whole family can come over. Fail and we ask them nicely to leave while funding their appeal and ongoing living costs. You couldnt make it up!
For clarity:
Free healthcare and education throughout too (even post application failure)
No end of well meaning people fawning over them,giving clothing and food to supplement benefits and government entitlements.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:42 pm
by StillSpike
So getting put up in a shitey B&B and £40 a week is the "land of milk and honey"??
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:44 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:42 pm
So getting put up in a shitey B&B and £40 a week is the "land of milk and honey"??
The jakeys in Linvingston seem pretty happy
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:06 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:12 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:06 am
As soon as they are in the water (thats in France) they need rescue, so its France who are breaking the law first.
But surely they are 9nly ever in English Waters
Being its the English Channel
Bump them round to the Irish Sea then
Not likely to happen
EU & American warships would put a stop to that
GFA & all that
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:08 pm
by Long slender neck
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:42 pm
So getting put up in a shitey B&B and £40 a week is the "land of milk and honey"??
Asylum seekers get no choice in where they live. Most are initially placed in hostel-type accommodation before longer-term housing is arranged.
"initially"
£40 per week, per person, more if you're a child or pregnant, doesnt sound great to you or me, but with no housing costs its probably a sweet deal for your average asylum seeker. I wouldnt be shocked if many actually find work on the black market too.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:11 pm
by tuffers#1
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:39 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:29 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Housed and £40 a week by the looks of it while they wait for the claim to be processed, pass and the whole family can come over. Fail and we ask them nicely to leave while funding their appeal and ongoing living costs. You couldnt make it up!
For clarity:
Free healthcare and education throughout too (even post application failure)
No end of well meaning people fawning over them,giving clothing and food to supplement benefits and government entitlements.
We know youd be happier for them to starve
If well meaning people do what you claim
Its there right there money & there buisness
To do so , not to have it scoffed at by someone
minor lightweight m'ber on a place like this
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:13 pm
by Kimpon
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:11 pm
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:39 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:29 pm
For clarity:
Free healthcare and education throughout too (even post application failure)
No end of well meaning people fawning over them,giving clothing and food to supplement benefits and government entitlements.
We know youd be happier for them to starve
If well meaning people do what you claim
Its there right there money & there buisness
To do so , not to have it scoffed at by someone
minor lightweight m'ber on a place like this
Are you the only one entitled to an opinion here?
Can you indicate on each thread where I can add one please, I don’t want to speak out of turn.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:15 pm
by StillSpike
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:08 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:42 pm
So getting put up in a shitey B&B and £40 a week is the "land of milk and honey"??
Asylum seekers get no choice in where they live. Most are initially placed in hostel-type accommodation before longer-term housing is arranged.
"initially"
£40 per week, per person, more if you're a child or pregnant, doesnt sound great to you or me, but with no housing costs its probably a sweet deal for your average asylum seeker. I wouldnt be shocked if many actually find work on the black market too.
I know you're just doing your schtick, and it's all simply hilarious, but you're also adding to the general hostility towards these people (and they are people, BTW). Think on, eh?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:19 pm
by tuffers#1
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:13 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:11 pm
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:39 pm
No end of well meaning people fawning over them,giving clothing and food to supplement benefits and government entitlements.
We know youd be happier for them to starve
If well meaning people do what you claim
Its there right there money & there buisness
To do so , not to have it scoffed at by someone
minor lightweight m'ber on a place like this
Are you the only one entitled to an opinion here?
Can you indicate on each thread where I can add one please, I don’t want to speak out of turn.
Thtas the trouble
You dont offer YOUR OPINION .
You just make rather Snidy comments
With no ability to back anything up .
Try offering a well thought out opinion &
Maybe people will treat you a little differently .
Or just try to be funny
You are failing miserably so far &
Id like to see you do better .
Imbecile of the year is upon us soon enough &
We dont want you winning that now do we.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:24 pm
by Kimpon
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:19 pm
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:13 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:11 pm
We know youd be happier for them to starve
If well meaning people do what you claim
Its there right there money & there buisness
To do so , not to have it scoffed at by someone
minor lightweight m'ber on a place like this
Are you the only one entitled to an opinion here?
Can you indicate on each thread where I can add one please, I don’t want to speak out of turn.
Thtas the trouble
You dont offer YOUR OPINION .
You just make rather Snidy comments
With no ability to back anything up .
Try offering a well thought out opinion &
Maybe people will treat you a little differently .
Or just try to be funny
You are failing miserably so far &
Id like to see you do better .
Imbecile of the year is upon us soon enough &
We dont want you winning that now do we.
In your opinion of course.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:24 pm
by George M
I must be a shoe in for that Tuffers , surely
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:37 pm
by Long slender neck
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:15 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:08 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:42 pm
So getting put up in a shitey B&B and £40 a week is the "land of milk and honey"??
Asylum seekers get no choice in where they live. Most are initially placed in hostel-type accommodation before longer-term housing is arranged.
"initially"
£40 per week, per person, more if you're a child or pregnant, doesnt sound great to you or me, but with no housing costs its probably a sweet deal for your average asylum seeker. I wouldnt be shocked if many actually find work on the black market too.
I know you're just doing your schtick, and it's all simply hilarious, but you're also adding to the general hostility towards these people (and they are people, BTW). Think on, eh?
I shouldnt point out facts?
I'm wondering why this government dont just remove some of the carrot?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:39 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:37 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:15 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:08 pm
"initially"
£40 per week, per person, more if you're a child or pregnant, doesnt sound great to you or me, but with no housing costs its probably a sweet deal for your average asylum seeker. I wouldnt be shocked if many actually find work on the black market too.
I know you're just doing your schtick, and it's all simply hilarious, but you're also adding to the general hostility towards these people (and they are people, BTW). Think on, eh?
I shouldnt point out facts?
I'm wondering why this government dont just remove some of the carrot?
Don’t get your point? They are going through a process by which the government decides if they are entitled to asylum. The rules state they cannot get jobs, what should we be giving them instead of 40 quid a week?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:58 pm
by Long slender neck
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:39 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:37 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:15 pm
I know you're just doing your schtick, and it's all simply hilarious, but you're also adding to the general hostility towards these people (and they are people, BTW). Think on, eh?
I shouldnt point out facts?
I'm wondering why this government dont just remove some of the carrot?
Don’t get your point? They are going through a process by which the government decides if they are entitled to asylum. The rules state they cannot get jobs, what should we be giving them instead of 40 quid a week?
Part of the problem is that the process is too attractive. I dont know what the answer is, but to pay for people to live
and for their appeal if they fail is just farcical. Do other countries have a similar asylum claims process? Does international law say we have to have such a generous process?
It would be cheaper to fly all arrivals straight home, but that wouldnt be allowed either.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:00 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:58 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:39 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:37 pm
I shouldnt point out facts?
I'm wondering why this government dont just remove some of the carrot?
Don’t get your point? They are going through a process by which the government decides if they are entitled to asylum. The rules state they cannot get jobs, what should we be giving them instead of 40 quid a week?
Part of the problem is that the process is too attractive. I dont know what the answer is, but to pay for people to live
and for their appeal if they fail is just farcical. Do other countries have a similar asylum claims process? Does international law say we have to have such a generous process?
It would be cheaper to fly all arrivals straight home, but that wouldnt be allowed either.
It's not farcical. It's called human rights.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm
by Long slender neck
A human right to be housed, fed and watered after your illegal arrival into the country?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:44 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:58 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:39 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:37 pm
I shouldnt point out facts?
I'm wondering why this government dont just remove some of the carrot?
Don’t get your point? They are going through a process by which the government decides if they are entitled to asylum. The rules state they cannot get jobs, what should we be giving them instead of 40 quid a week?
Part of the problem is that the process is too attractive. I dont know what the answer is, but to pay for people to live
and for their appeal if they fail is just farcical. Do other countries have a similar asylum claims process? Does international law say we have to have such a generous process?
It would be cheaper to fly all arrivals straight home, but that wouldnt be allowed either.
From what I gather it’s because our system is inefficient and takes a year; which we also use to tell them they can’t find work.
What you seen to be proposing is sending everyone back whilst we process the claims? Do you think that’s sensible considering you could be sending people back to certain death? Or is it worth paying someone 2 grand for a year even if they aren’t legal and not risk then possibility of the first scenario happening?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:44 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm
A human right to be housed, fed and watered after your illegal arrival into the country?
Yes?
And don’t forget the right to decent wifi
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:46 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm
A human right to be housed, fed and watered after your illegal arrival into the country?
It's not illegal for refugees to seek asylum in the UK. Try to look beyond your innate racism.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:53 pm
by Long slender neck
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:44 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:58 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:39 pm
Don’t get your point? They are going through a process by which the government decides if they are entitled to asylum. The rules state they cannot get jobs, what should we be giving them instead of 40 quid a week?
Part of the problem is that the process is too attractive. I dont know what the answer is, but to pay for people to live
and for their appeal if they fail is just farcical. Do other countries have a similar asylum claims process? Does international law say we have to have such a generous process?
It would be cheaper to fly all arrivals straight home, but that wouldnt be allowed either.
From what I gather it’s because our system is inefficient and takes a year; which we also use to tell them they can’t find work.
What you seen to be proposing is sending everyone back whilst we process the claims? Do you think that’s sensible considering you could be sending people back to certain death? Or is it worth paying someone 2 grand for a year even if they aren’t legal and not risk then possibility of the first scenario happening?
Its a lot more than two grand, you forgot housing costs. Its not just the money, it sends a message that it is a right and legitimate way to do things, encourages more to attempt the crossing. It is jumping the queue.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:54 pm
by Long slender neck
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:46 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm
A human right to be housed, fed and watered after your illegal arrival into the country?
It's not illegal for refugees to seek asylum in the UK. Try to look beyond your innate racism.
They can seek asylum, but does that mean we have to pay for their upkeep while they do?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:59 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:54 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:46 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm
A human right to be housed, fed and watered after your illegal arrival into the country?
It's not illegal for refugees to seek asylum in the UK. Try to look beyond your innate racism.
They can seek asylum, but does that mean we have to pay for their upkeep while they do?
Would you rather they starved to death?
Let them work and I'm sure they would enjoy the dignity it brings when you can pay your own way in the world.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:00 pm
by Long slender neck
Dont see a reason why they shouldn't work.
