Russia / Ukraine Watch

[The Mindsweep]

Maybe we should do what Kenny Everett called for all those years ago.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Maybe we should do what Kenny Everett called for all those years ago.

Which was .........?

[The Mindsweep]

[RedDwarf 1881]

[Max B Gold]

Looks like it's nearly over with the Russkies advancing quickly on the second city. I blame Israel.

Ukraine's Zelenskiy postpones foreign visits amid Russian offensive
Further to the news earlier that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy had cancelled a visit to Spain and Portugal (see 08.54 BST), his press secretary has now said that all upcoming foreign visits scheduled for Zelenskiy have been postponed.

“Volodymyr Zelenskiy has instructed that all international events scheduled for the coming days be postponed and new dates coordinated,” Sergii Nykyforov said on Facebook, according to Reuters.

[Dunners]

I blame Israel.

I also blame the Western military-industrial complex. It turns out that private contractors maximising profit margins all these years through high-end weaponry have not been able to transition to lower-grade, but higher-output supply chains.

Iran, N Korea and Russia have demonstrated success at manufacturing munitions that, while not excellent, are good enough and at a volume Western manufacturers are just not incentivised to replicate due to the tight profit margins. When a US warship has to fire a $2m missile to take out a $20K Houthi drone, even if the missile is successful, the Houthis kinda win.

[Max B Gold]

I blame Israel.

I also blame the Western military-industrial complex. It turns out that private contractors maximising profit margins all these years through high-end weaponry have not been able to transition to lower-grade, but higher-output supply chains.

Iran, N Korea and Russia have demonstrated success at manufacturing munitions that, while not excellent, are good enough and at a volume Western manufacturers are just not incentivised to replicate due to the tight profit margins. When a US warship has to fire a $2m missile to take out a $20K Houthi drone, even if the missile is successful, the Houthis kinda win.

So you're telling me NATO did not plan for a protracted land war in Euroland!! FFS!! What are they even there for? Maybe then can send some troops to Ukrainia?

Instead, you want to blame the innocent western industrial complex who are doing their best to earn a few bob in difficult circumstances.

Mibees the Yankees can dip into their stockpiles held at the 800 bases around the world to help out. They just need to be nicer to China to square them off until the stockpiles can be replenished.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Pro Kremlin Left wing Nationalist PM of Slovakia has just been shot in an assassination attempt

[Max B Gold]

Pro Kremlin Left wing Nationalist PM of Slovakia has just been shot in an assassination attempt

"Left wing" . He's one of the Xtreme Centerists not averse to pillaging the public purse.

[Currywurst and Chips]

That explains how he managed to win an election then

Thought it was a bit odd

[Dunners]

Heh.

[Dunners]

Not at the Slovakian PM being shot, but at PAM'ys post.

[Max B Gold]

Another twist in the tail. War is coming.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... fit-russia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... d-sabotage

[The Mindsweep]

Another twist in the tail. War is coming.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... fit-russia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... d-sabotage

I'm sure all the little Tommy Robinsons and other patriots will be forming an unruly queue at the recruiting office this morning

[Max B Gold]

Threads gone a bit quiet. Any body know if its still worth bothering about Ukrainia now that Trump is the El Presidente?

[Dunners]

Trump being elected president could give the anti-NATO cranks the outcome they've always wished for.

As for Ukraine, I explained the strategy earlier on in this thread; bleed Russia out as much as possible so that, should they achieve any sort of "victory", they'll be too depleted to attempt any further annexations for the foreseeable future. All while trying to avoid serious escalation.

[Max B Gold]

Isn't Trump more inclined to give his partner in crime Putin what he wants rather than delivering for the anti Nato cranks. Remembering of course that it was NATO encroachment and CIA interference that precipitated the current conflict.

Your analysis of strategy is almost correct but you fail to emphasise the "proxy war" aspect of the war. So only a B+.

What about China and North Korea?

[Dunners]

Looks like the strategy has changed.

[Cheshunto]

Looks like the strategy has changed.

Biden authorising Zelensky to fire US Missiles into Russia now , things could hot up a bit from here .

[Max B Gold]

Looks like the strategy has changed.

Biden authorising Zelensky to fire US Missiles into Russia now , things could hot up a bit from here .

Hmm, so the proxy war accelerates.

[Dunners]

Looks like the strategy has changed.

Biden authorising Zelensky to fire US Missiles into Russia now , things could hot up a bit from here .

Hmm, so the proxy war accelerates.

It's not a proxy war. It's a semi-direct war. A proxy war would be preferable.

[Qin]

The ante has well & truly been upped.

Putin would be somewhat justified if he directly attacked Western interests in Europe

I've been convinced that America wants a war with Putin anyway, & this makes the odds of that happening a tad shorter

[Max B Gold]

Biden authorising Zelensky to fire US Missiles into Russia now , things could hot up a bit from here .

Hmm, so the proxy war accelerates.

It's not a proxy war. It's a semi-direct war. A proxy war would be preferable.

So from proxy war to semi direct war to open war. You never mentioned this before.

[Long slender neck]

The ante has well & truly been upped.

Putin would be somewhat justified if he directly attacked Western interests in Europe

I've been convinced that America wants a war with Putin anyway, & this makes the odds of that happening a tad shorter

What sort of interests would Putin be justified in attacking?

Is helping Ukraine defend itself so bad?

[Pugwash]

Royal Navy have been trackin Russian ship Yantar in the last few days in the Irish sea.