Israel

[Hoover Attack]

Amazing how the narrative of key players has changed so much in 2 months. People are slowly seeing what’s happening and changing tact

Dunnem is not a key player, in however high regard he holds himself.

[Long slender neck]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html

[Hoover Attack]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html

Do you know what, I think these Hamas guys might not be that nice.

[Dunners]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html

You can't blame Hamas for carrying children and using them as human shields during gun battles. They just don't have any alternative, you see?

Plus, what about all the bad stuff Israel has done? Eh?

[Proposition Joe]

How strange that the IDF drone operators would claim kids are being used as human shields while the article itself reproduces several stills released by the IDF, none of which even claim to show kids being used as human shields.

[Long slender neck]

Well spotted.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Is there where someone posts a two month old link and say “well they did it then so I’d bet my mortgage they’re doing it here”.

[BoniO]

Is there where someone posts a two month old link and say “well they did it then so I’d bet my mortgage they’re doing it here”.

So nice to be living in your head

[Tuffers#2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html

Do you know what, I think these Hamas guys might not be that nice.

Perhaps the Mothers were bombed as collateral damage ?

[Tuffers#2]

Probably, as that is what has led to Hamas forming in the first place. But what alternative did Israel have after Oct 7?

Not quite, Hamas came to exist because the P.L.O kept getting taken for a ride after years of talks. Hamas identified extreme violence to create a free palestinian state.

[Hoover Attack]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-aid.html

You can't blame Hamas for carrying children and using them as human shields during gun battles. They just don't have any alternative, you see?

Plus, what about all the bad stuff Israel has done? Eh?

Imagine using Hamas (designated a terrorist organisation by the us and uk governments) as the yardstick by which to measure yourselves.

[Hoover Attack]

How strange that the IDF drone operators would claim kids are being used as human shields while the article itself reproduces several stills released by the IDF, none of which even claim to show kids being used as human shields.

I’m sure dunnem will put up a multi paragraph post shortly dissecting the information released and discrediting the publisher.

[Dunners]

This is hardly surprising news, but the Israeli ambassador confirms the idea of a 2 state solution is dead.

[Dunners]

How strange that the IDF drone operators would claim kids are being used as human shields while the article itself reproduces several stills released by the IDF, none of which even claim to show kids being used as human shields.

I’m sure dunnem will put up a multi paragraph post shortly dissecting the information released and discrediting the publisher.

The Daily Mail is beyond reproach.

[Hoover Attack]

This is hardly surprising news, but the Israeli ambassador confirms the idea of a 2 state solution is dead.

So now we just have to pick a side?

[Proposition Joe]

She'd held that opinion well before October 7th, just couldn't come out and say it *quite* so freely.

[Admin]

I believe she's one of the few people on the planet that Melanie Phillips considers to be too far to the right.

[Hoover Attack]

I’m guessing she has zero sympathy for any Palestinian as well?

[Tuffers#2]

This is hardly surprising news, but the Israeli ambassador confirms the idea of a 2 state solution is dead.

So now we just have to pick a side?

So she says the 2 state formula never worked. Back to Palestine then ?

[Dunners]

Nah, the choice must surely be between the British Mandate or the Ottomans? Let's have it out with the Turks and sort this out once and for all.

[Hoover Attack]

Nah, the choice must surely be between the British Mandate or the Ottomans? Let's have it out with the Turks and sort this out once and for all.

I'm not sure why you're referencing all this historical stuff. The conflict only started on October 7th.

[Dunners]

Nah, the choice must surely be between the British Mandate or the Ottomans? Let's have it out with the Turks and sort this out once and for all.

I'm not sure why you're referencing all this historical stuff. The conflict only started on October 7th.

I thought the approved messaging on this topic was that there's no history prior to 1948?

[Mistadobalina]

This is hardly surprising news, but the Israeli ambassador confirms the idea of a 2 state solution is dead.

More liberal, left of centre Israelis are hoping that October 7th will wake people up to just how incompetent and deceitful the ultra nationalists in charge are, and how counter productive their pro settler, anti two state solution stance is. They have only made the country less safe and secure.

It's an optimistic reading and obviously there's going to be a massive appetite for revenge that's hard to see go away, but have to hang onto the hope that October 7th was a reset moment where the Israeli people realise something radical needs to change and that an approach of more of the same, only more so, isn't going to make them safer.

[Dunners]

This is hardly surprising news, but the Israeli ambassador confirms the idea of a 2 state solution is dead.

More liberal, left of centre Israelis are hoping that October 7th will wake people up to just how incompetent and deceitful the ultra nationalists in charge are, and how counter productive their pro settler, anti two state solution stance is. They have only made the country less safe and secure.

It's an optimistic reading and obviously there's going to be a massive appetite for revenge that's hard to see go away, but have to hang onto the hope that October 7th was a reset moment where the Israeli people realise something radical needs to change and that an approach of more of the same, only more so, isn't going to make them safer.

I've tried reading up on domestic Israeli politics. I'm barely scratching the surface, but my takeaways are that (a) there's no chance of anything constructive happening with the Netanyahu government in place, and (b) the ultra-nationalist parties are not going to go quietly and do have a relatively large constituency within Israeli society. I hope you're right, but I just don't see the same optimistic reading right now.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Indiscriminate killing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... by-mistake