George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find something that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:33 am
It's very unlikely that Boris and his cronies will call another lockdown because they are only interested in the economy. Lives don't really
mean anything to them as long as Britain keeps on producing. Once again it's money over lives. Herd immunity is what these clowns want.
This government has blagged it's way through this whole pandemic.
Let’s have a lockdown then . Oh , apart from everyone who produces and sells you food , those that keep you warm and supply heat and power to your house , the emergency services who keep you safe , building and maintenance gangs , petrol stations so you can still drive.
Still , at least you will be safe
Went for my booster jab today. Very, very busy, but typically slightly organised chaos. I had been given an appointment, as had many others, but they were simultaneously running a drop-in service. So most of us, had to wait way beyond our appointment time. The officious lady running the queue, looked at my card & sucked through her teeth " you are bang on the cut-off date when you had your 2nd jab! But my GP had given the appointment. I think a lot of older people are very scared. Like me they must know 2 or 3 people who have croaked. As for turning people away, the news has been widely reporting, maybe just as well give booster after 5 months. Too much conflicting information being given out by the shabby Government, who are more interested in their family & mates making sacks of money.
George ( whoever he may be? ) said "Let’s have a lockdown then . Oh , apart from everyone who produces and sells you food , those that keep you warm and supply heat and power to your house , the emergency services who keep you safe , building and maintenance gangs , petrol stations so you can still drive.
Still , at least you will be safe"
I say:- Wasn't that what happened in the last 2 lockdowns? Were you out of the Country at the time?
George ....You must do better at your wind-up attempts.
Clive Evans wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:24 am
George ( whoever he may be? ) said "Let’s have a lockdown then . Oh , apart from everyone who produces and sells you food , those that keep you warm and supply heat and power to your house , the emergency services who keep you safe , building and maintenance gangs , petrol stations so you can still drive.
Still , at least you will be safe"
I say:- Wasn't that what happened in the last 2 lockdowns? Were you out of the Country at the time?
George ....You must do better at your wind-up attempts.
I was here and carried on working. Some thought should be given to those who have to before screaming for further lockdowns
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:39 am
The clinically vulnerable can shield if they like
Asking people to lockdown despite our vaccine takeup that are shown to be incredibly effective against serious illness and death is just stupidty.
It's killing over a 1,000 people a week. Another 180 yesterday.
How many deaths until you would consider lockdown an option?
Well it was 4228pw last time we locked down so somewhere between the two, a number I imagine we'll never get close to due to natural immunity and vaccines
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:39 am
The clinically vulnerable can shield if they like
Asking people to lockdown despite our vaccine takeup that are shown to be incredibly effective against serious illness and death is just stupidty.
It's killing over a 1,000 people a week. Another 180 yesterday.
How many deaths until you would consider lockdown an option?
It’s difficult to respond to those figures. It is awful. Hopefully those numbers will drop.
But to have any meaningful effect we would need some sort of lockdown from now until next spring/ summer . That isn’t possible.
Presumably scientists are working on better vaccines as we write . We can only hope that they produce one soon
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:39 am
The clinically vulnerable can shield if they like
Asking people to lockdown despite our vaccine takeup that are shown to be incredibly effective against serious illness and death is just stupidty.
It's killing over a 1,000 people a week. Another 180 yesterday.
How many deaths until you would consider lockdown an option?
Well it was 4228pw last time we locked down so somewhere between the two, a number I imagine we'll never get close to due to natural immunity and vaccines
What do you think the threshold should be?
We've reached it. There is a time lag on deaths as the infection rate increases.
Add to that the failed booster vaccination initiative, on which this whole strategy rests, together with an overwhelmed NHS and we have another Boris manufactured disaster on our hands.
It's killing over a 1,000 people a week. Another 180 yesterday.
How many deaths until you would consider lockdown an option?
Well it was 4228pw last time we locked down so somewhere between the two, a number I imagine we'll never get close to due to natural immunity and vaccines
What do you think the threshold should be?
We've reached it. There is a time lag on deaths as the infection rate increases.
Add to that the failed booster vaccination initiative, on which this whole strategy rests, together with an overwhelmed NHS and we have another Boris manufactured disaster on our hands.
If that's your opinion fair enough
I don't think a single party is calling for a lockdown right now though.
And surely it's not Boris' fault if Scotland fails to go into lockdown at any given point?
Well it was 4228pw last time we locked down so somewhere between the two, a number I imagine we'll never get close to due to natural immunity and vaccines
What do you think the threshold should be?
We've reached it. There is a time lag on deaths as the infection rate increases.
Add to that the failed booster vaccination initiative, on which this whole strategy rests, together with an overwhelmed NHS and we have another Boris manufactured disaster on our hands.
If that's your opinion fair enough
I don't think a single party is calling for a lockdown right now though.
And surely it's not Boris' fault if Scotland fails to go into lockdown at any given point?
I'm looking more at what medical professionals who are calling for further measures(not lockdown yet) are saying and not political parties who appear to be more concerned about popularity and votes than lives.
What Boris does will influence what happens in Scotland and if lockdown is required I expect the Scotch govt to make the right decision.
George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find some, thing that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
We should be wearing masks ,
we should be social distancing
we should be getting boosters easily .
we should be fully led by a government
that is capable of leading the country .
We've reached it. There is a time lag on deaths as the infection rate increases.
Add to that the failed booster vaccination initiative, on which this whole strategy rests, together with an overwhelmed NHS and we have another Boris manufactured disaster on our hands.
If that's your opinion fair enough
I don't think a single party is calling for a lockdown right now though.
And surely it's not Boris' fault if Scotland fails to go into lockdown at any given point?
I'm looking more at what medical professionals who are calling for further measures(not lockdown yet) are saying and not political parties who appear to be more concerned about popularity and votes than lives.
What Boris does will influence what happens in Scotland and if lockdown is required I expect the Scotch govt to make the right decision.
The coordinated medical attempt I've seen has been for Plan B which is masking indoors and other measures short of lockdown
Nicola should be making decisions in the best interest of Scotland and not following Boris lead.
Drakeford for example instituted a lockdown when England refused to
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Just did a quick comparison between now and 2018 and number of deaths per week are very similar. Doesn't seem to imply a lock down is necessary, but obviously a full comparison of all data sets is required
George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
Lies. Look it up more people percentage wise are dying from covid who are double jabbed than the unvacinated. You sheep need to wake the f*** up.
To some simply wearing a face covering is a Lockdown, to others it is everything closed except supermarkets and hospitals. We haven't had anything like that since shops and outdoor venues reopened.
I for one would support working from home, face coverings, Covid passports, table service in bars etc. to be brought in immediately. If that doesn't work then we have to go further. It's common sense to slow the spread of a virus that kills and it's not the destruction of civil liberties.
I don't want NHS staff to be constantly exposed to unnecessary life threatening risk whilst trying to save people, just because others can't be bothered to stay safe. I don't want operations and cancer treatments to be delayed because the resource is being deployed to treat Covid or Flu patients.
Ventilation, Social Distancing, Face Coverings, Hand Sanitisation, Testing, Vaccines all have an important part to play to reduce the spread. I still practice them all as just relying one element is shown not to be sufficient.
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find some, thing that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
We should be wearing masks ,
we should be social distancing
we should be getting boosters easily .
we should be fully led by a government
that is capable of leading the country .
We're F*cked on that bit then
Yes. The resistance to reintroducing masks and distancing is difficult to understand. It’s no big deal and many are doing that anyway. Much more preferable to a lockdown
George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
Lies. Look it up more people percentage wise are dying from covid who are double jabbed than the unvacinated. You sheep need to wake the f*** up.
George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
Lies. Look it up more people percentage wise are dying from covid who are double jabbed than the unvacinated. You sheep need to wake the f*** up.
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find some, thing that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
We should be wearing masks ,
we should be social distancing
we should be getting boosters easily .
we should be fully led by a government
that is capable of leading the country .
We're F*cked on that bit then
Yes. The resistance to reintroducing masks and distancing is difficult to understand. It’s no big deal and many are doing that anyway. Much more preferable to a lockdown
As Covid cases drop, dancing returns to Spain’s nightclubsOnly the regions of Murcia and Aragón are maintaining their ban, although face masks and other restrictions remain mandatory across the country
Most Countries in Europe have kept restrictions in place by law .
Bodge the w*nker & his mates didnt .
Makes you wonder whether he is desperate to see bodies pile high again
George wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:35 am
No. We are protected by the vaccine. I am not going back to restrictions to protect those that won’t have the vaccine
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find something that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
we are not protected by the vaccine.
vaccines are only boosting the immune system .
it doesnt mean if you get covid you cant die
from it, even if you have been double vaccinated .
It means you are much more likely not to die from it .
Youll do what you are told to if the Government says
Full Lockdown & dont pretend you wont !!
I accept your much more likely not to die comment . So what’s the answer. Lockdown until we find something that offers 100% protection.
Should we lockdown every winter now until it’s gone
it's never going away .
Indeed. But it can be suppressed if you take appropriate action now. Not sit back and let it rip. AGAIN.
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