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Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:59 pm I found this little bit of information posted on the ONS dated 18th Jan 22. It details out how many people died of covid without any underlying health issues. It’s up to date as the records are and totals 17,371 of which 3,774 were under 64 the rest being older.

Here is the link to the ONS FOI request.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... cember2021

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:59 pm I found this little bit of information posted on the ONS dated 18th Jan 22. It details out how many people died of covid without any underlying health issues. It’s up to date as the records are and totals 17,371 of which 3,774 were under 64 the rest being older.

Here is the link to the ONS FOI request.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... cember2021

Always been accepted that those with underlying conditions were most affected. The virus attacks weaknesses.

But having underlying medical conditions does not mean those conditions are terminal. In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives. Even those with potentially terminal illnesses have a right to see out the rest of their natural lives and. having what’s left cut is tragic.

It’s the obligation of the rest who don’t have underlying conditions and likely survive infection by having the good sense consider those less fortunate to do what we can to protect others.

And of course those who do survive take up valuable hospital resources during recovery, thereby creating problems for those in urgent need of treatment but cannot due to hospital waiting lists. Covid deaths is only part of the problem.

Bottom line. Get a jab if you can. To choose not to is sticking two fingers up to other people.

Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:39 am Yesterday for the first time I heard the newscaster say “not all deaths were caused by Covid-19” after reading the latest Covid statistics

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

Omygawd wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:18 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

Nice to see bigotry reigns in every post.

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:18 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

I clocked this but thought I’d give the daft old sod the benefit of the doubt, as the rest of the content is reasonable for once.

I don’t believe Dohy is saying some lives are not useful, he’s not that much of a ****.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:30 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

My posts have zero influence by politics.

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:59 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:30 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

My posts have zero influence by politics.

Maybe I've misunderstood what you mean by a 'useful' life -- my apologies if that's the case.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:30 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:05 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:18 am In fact people with such conditions can live long, useful lives.

I appreciate that you're pushing back against Thor's depressing belief that we needn't change our behavior because covid only kills off 'less-thans' like old people and disabled people, but I feel that the whole concept of a 'useful' life is a really potent (and grim) distillation of the Tory mindset.

My posts have zero influence by politics.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:52 pm
Useful as deemed by the person living it. That can mean different things to different people. Individuals matter.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:59 pm I found this little bit of information posted on the ONS dated 18th Jan 22. It details out how many people died of covid without any underlying health issues. It’s up to date as the records are and totals 17,371 of which 3,774 were under 64 the rest being older.

Here is the link to the ONS FOI request.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... cember2021

George M wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:04 pm Looking at those COVID figures throws up more interesting facts , and if I may say , even slightly humorous.
The average age COVID death through the pandemic was 82.5 years old. The average life expectancy in the Uk is lower than that. Turns out it would have been better to catch it ))

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:46 pm The post was made in view of this information coming to light for the first time, I’ve never heard or seen anything which provides that data. The last time anything remotely close to this was quite early on when the number was a few hundred people. It’s certainly higher than I had imagined it would be.

I’ve never seen a data set of deaths by condition(s) so I’m not sure if one exists or not. I’m certainly not suggesting these people don’t count as all people matter and we are going through a once in a lifetime issue which affects many many families. Some decisions made by the government may in time highlight mistakes made which cost many many people their lives, care homes being one such example.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:46 pm The post was made in view of this information coming to light for the first time, I’ve never heard or seen anything which provides that data. The last time anything remotely close to this was quite early on when the number was a few hundred people. It’s certainly higher than I had imagined it would be.

I’ve never seen a data set of deaths by condition(s) so I’m not sure if one exists or not. I’m certainly not suggesting these people don’t count as all people matter and we are going through a once in a lifetime issue which affects many many families. Some decisions made by the government may in time highlight mistakes made which cost many many people their lives, care homes being one such example.