Change UK to change its name again !!

[Sid Bishop]

What with Chuka Umunna ( He of three political parties within months of each other !! ) now joining the Lib Dems after quitting Change UK, well just days after half of its MPs resigned, the party, whose official name was ‘Change UK - The Independent Group’, said it was rebranding following a legal challenge from petitions website Change.org. It will now be known as ‘The Independent Group for Change’, pending a decision from the Electoral Commission.

Change UK's Misfortunes Continue As It's Forced To Change Name. Again.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/change-uks-mi ... 41907.html

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Fair play to him for having the nerve to carry on.

I don't know how they got things so badly wrong.

[Max B Gold]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

[Sid Bishop]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

Chuka Umunna a Tory ?
Surely far more like a ''Champagne Socialist'' !!
To me he seems more at home socialising with the London Metropolitan elite, so different to the old fashioned Labour MPs of the past.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

Chuka Umunna a Tory ?
Surely far more like a ''Champagne Socialist'' !!
To me he seems more at home socialising with the London Metropolitan elite, so different to the old fashioned Labour MPs of the past.

You show surprise at him being called a tory, yet then go on to (understandably) label him as one of the London Metropolitan elite....?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

For a party who want to 'change' things, they are the most-middle of the road, centralist, non-committal group of nobodies i've ever known.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Chuka wants to change things back to how they were in 1997 under Lord Tony.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Apparently he said last year the the LibDems were untrustworthy . Even more so now he's joined them.

[Proposition Joe]

Change UK were formed because politics is broken with the 3 main parties as they are. Is it fixed now?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

To be fair to him and the others, you can see what they were trying to do. Just as the Brexit party wanted to hoover up Leavers from the other parties, Chuky and friends targeted the Remainers. Unfortunately for him, the Remainers are not quite thick enough to vote for a newly formed 'party' with questionable financial backing and no policies......

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

Now I know you are joking. Hard to tell sometimes.

[Max B Gold]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

Now I know you are joking. Hard to tell sometimes.

On this occasion I'm being serious.

[Sid Bishop]

Always knew he was a dirty, stinking Yella Tory rat.

Chuka Umunna a Tory ?
Surely far more like a ''Champagne Socialist'' !!
To me he seems more at home socialising with the London Metropolitan elite, so different to the old fashioned Labour MPs of the past.

You show surprise at him being called a tory, yet then go on to (understandably) label him as one of the London Metropolitan elite....?

Chuka Umunna is like many other MPs at Westminster, a wealthy Clique who are firmly stuck in the '' Westminster bubble'' A group of people who cannot even begin to relate to the lives of normal working class people.
Chuka Umunna a ''Champagne Socialist'' !! yes ..... ''a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.''
Tony Blair another example.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Chuka Umunna a Tory ?
Surely far more like a ''Champagne Socialist'' !!
To me he seems more at home socialising with the London Metropolitan elite, so different to the old fashioned Labour MPs of the past.

You show surprise at him being called a tory, yet then go on to (understandably) label him as one of the London Metropolitan elite....?

Chuka Umunna is like many other MPs at Westminster, a wealthy Clique who are firmly stuck in the '' Westminster bubble'' A group of people who cannot even begin to relate to the lives of normal working class people.
Chuka Umunna a ''Champagne Socialist'' !! yes ..... ''a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.''
Tony Blair another example.

Are you suggesting people should choose a political party according to their bank balance rather than their beliefs?

[Max B Gold]

Chuka Umunna a Tory ?
Surely far more like a ''Champagne Socialist'' !!
To me he seems more at home socialising with the London Metropolitan elite, so different to the old fashioned Labour MPs of the past.

You show surprise at him being called a tory, yet then go on to (understandably) label him as one of the London Metropolitan elite....?

Chuka Umunna is like many other MPs at Westminster, a wealthy Clique who are firmly stuck in the '' Westminster bubble'' A group of people who cannot even begin to relate to the lives of normal working class people.
Chuka Umunna a ''Champagne Socialist'' !! yes ..... ''a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.''
Tony Blair another example.

You seem very confused about what socialism actually is. Are you quite old?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Obviously dohy. If you're wealthy, you should vote Tory.

[Sid Bishop]

You show surprise at him being called a tory, yet then go on to (understandably) label him as one of the London Metropolitan elite....?

Chuka Umunna is like many other MPs at Westminster, a wealthy Clique who are firmly stuck in the '' Westminster bubble'' A group of people who cannot even begin to relate to the lives of normal working class people.
Chuka Umunna a ''Champagne Socialist'' !! yes ..... ''a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.''
Tony Blair another example.

Are you suggesting people should choose a political party according to their bank balance rather than their beliefs?

Of course not, but people like the humble and wonderful Mr Clement Attlee were far more down to Earth and in touch with their Labour grass roots members than modern Labour MPs like the former member,Chuka Umunna. For just one instance, Blair is now far more concentrated on ever increasing his own personal wealth than doing good for the poorer members of society in UK.

[Wally Banter]

On this point, I've always wondered what the maximum level of income / assets people would deem acceptable for a socialist to have before they become a hypocrite.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

On this point, I've always wondered what the maximum level of income / assets people would deem acceptable for a socialist to have before they become a hypocrite.

It's at the exact same threshold that they stop being jealous and envious of the rich.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Chuka Umunna is like many other MPs at Westminster, a wealthy Clique who are firmly stuck in the '' Westminster bubble'' A group of people who cannot even begin to relate to the lives of normal working class people.
Chuka Umunna a ''Champagne Socialist'' !! yes ..... ''a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.''
Tony Blair another example.

Are you suggesting people should choose a political party according to their bank balance rather than their beliefs?

Of course not, but people like the humble and wonderful Mr Clement Attlee were far more down to Earth and in touch with their Labour grass roots members than modern Labour MPs like the former member,Chuka Umunna. For just one instance, Blair is now far more concentrated on ever increasing his own personal wealth than doing good for the poorer members of society in UK.

That's a really good point. I hadn't even noticed that the likes of blair were not like the old labour people.

[Mikero]

Maybe the 'Change' refers to changing the name of the party until someone takes a blind bit of notice of them.

Mikero

[slacker]

I see TIG For Change have fallen to 1% support in the polls

[Sid Bishop]

Are you suggesting people should choose a political party according to their bank balance rather than their beliefs?

Of course not, but people like the humble and wonderful Mr Clement Attlee were far more down to Earth and in touch with their Labour grass roots members than modern Labour MPs like the former member,Chuka Umunna. For just one instance, Blair is now far more concentrated on ever increasing his own personal wealth than doing good for the poorer members of society in UK.

That's a really good point. I hadn't even noticed that the likes of blair were not like the old labour people.

I would have voted for my old Labour Councillor to be ''President of the World''
Great man who had fought in the second world war. Bill helped everyone with Council related issues and did not hang about, responded as soon as anyone contacted him, all regardless of what Party they had voted for. After a few years, near enough everyone in the area I live voted for him. He was a true man of the people and liked by everyone, such a rare human being, truly the salt of the earth.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

On this point, I've always wondered what the maximum level of income / assets people would deem acceptable for a socialist to have before they become a hypocrite.

Great question.

Perhaps a sliding scale.

Under £10,000 = real Labour
£10k to £25k = still Labour with a tinge of blue
£25k to £75k = Labour but the blue becoming more evident
£75k to £150k = Well on the way to being Tory
£150k to £250k = mainly Tory but with a hint of Red
£250k+ = True blue.

If we could agree a table then we can rid ourselves of GEs just a computer programme to look at assets and income. As the country gets richer the more Blue it becomes. When it slumps the Reds have it.

[Thor]

Oh so that's everyone who owns a home can't be labour as they've too much capital?
Righto.