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OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:07 pm Find myself seeing another post match analysis which appears to be mainly focused on the failings of Sam Ling and can’t help but feel the need to speak about this.

It appears that nearly every goal conceded is blamed on this lad and I really think there needs to be some level thinking here.

From the games I have watched in the last few seasons, i think the out of possession play has been poor, our shape is shocking, our recovery is slow. Justin managed this very well, he was a defender after all, but since then we have gone back to our old ways.

From what I have seen;

Coulson is not fit enough at this level any more
Happe needs a clever brain next too him
Widdowsopn out of possession play is poor
Brophy is not naturally a full back
Clay out of possession is a liability

I think Ross is fully aware that the defence is his priority and this doesn’t happen overnight - he will make tweaks all season and as long as we stay up, then he can continue to build in the future

Myles Judd has gone on loan and for good reasons - and only Ross will know this, but he can only have done it for the best of Orient

But, and i guess this is my main point, Sam Ling is a pro footballer, like it or not, and he must be trying his best. He is 24, and will have access to social media and be very aware of the witch hunt that he is the subject of. I’ve seen Coulson make some horrendous errors and not be as castigated as Ling has been, and I suppose this makes me wonder if some or all of the criticism is because of who is dad is.

Anyhow, I may have rambled, so i end this now, and I apologise for the rant.

Something I think about at these times, is that Sam’s dad has a history of depression, and if Sam is struggling also, the last thing this young boy needs is constant abuse. It’s very easy to slaughter someone, but we need to realise they are human beings, with feelings.

And, just as a redress, and in case any of you are wondering, no, I’m not martin, in fact, I am not his biggest fan in any way shape or form - but that’s another rant.

But i have played the game, and I am a qualified coach - and I have learnt lots about getting the best out of people.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:31 pm It’s ridiculous to be castigating this poster just because he’s tried to out some perspective on our rubbish defence.
I personally don’t think Ling is good enough to be played every week but I don’t like the cruelty of laying blame for everything on him. We have 11 players and an idiot (Embleford) as a manager - so it can’t all be down to Sam Ling

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:46 pm Biggsy i am not saying that Sam is blameless - but merely that he is not the only poor player in a side that is bad out of possession, and that maybe some of the criticism is due to his family link to the club

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:56 pm

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:46 pm Biggsy i am not saying that Sam is blameless - but merely that he is not the only poor player in a side that is bad out of possession, and that maybe some of the criticism is due to his family link to the club

Those criticisms would disappear if / when Ling is treated like the other fullbacks i.e. you make a mistake you get dropped. Applied to Judd, applied to Ogie, applied to Turley, applied to Widdowson but doesn't apply to Long.

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:07 pm Find myself seeing another post match analysis which appears to be mainly focused on the failings of Sam Ling and can’t help but feel the need to speak about this.

It appears that nearly every goal conceded is blamed on this lad and I really think there needs to be some level thinking here.

From the games I have watched in the last few seasons, i think the out of possession play has been poor, our shape is shocking, our recovery is slow. Justin managed this very well, he was a defender after all, but since then we have gone back to our old ways.

From what I have seen;

Coulson is not fit enough at this level any more
Happe needs a clever brain next too him
Widdowsopn out of possession play is poor
Brophy is not naturally a full back
Clay out of possession is a liability

I think Ross is fully aware that the defence is his priority and this doesn’t happen overnight - he will make tweaks all season and as long as we stay up, then he can continue to build in the future

Myles Judd has gone on loan and for good reasons - and only Ross will know this, but he can only have done it for the best of Orient

But, and i guess this is my main point, Sam Ling is a pro footballer, like it or not, and he must be trying his best. He is 24, and will have access to social media and be very aware of the witch hunt that he is the subject of. I’ve seen Coulson make some horrendous errors and not be as castigated as Ling has been, and I suppose this makes me wonder if some or all of the criticism is because of who is dad is.

Anyhow, I may have rambled, so i end this now, and I apologise for the rant.

Something I think about at these times, is that Sam’s dad has a history of depression, and if Sam is struggling also, the last thing this young boy needs is constant abuse. It’s very easy to slaughter someone, but we need to realise they are human beings, with feelings.

And, just as a redress, and in case any of you are wondering, no, I’m not martin, in fact, I am not his biggest fan in any way shape or form - but that’s another rant.

But i have played the game, and I am a qualified coach - and I have learnt lots about getting the best out of people.

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:46 pm Biggsy i am not saying that Sam is blameless - but merely that he is not the only poor player in a side that is bad out of possession, and that maybe some of the criticism is due to his family link to the club

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:56 pm

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:46 pm Biggsy i am not saying that Sam is blameless - but merely that he is not the only poor player in a side that is bad out of possession, and that maybe some of the criticism is due to his family link to the club

Those criticisms would disappear if / when Ling is treated like the other fullbacks i.e. you make a mistake you get dropped. Applied to Judd, applied to Ogie, applied to Turley, applied to Widdowson but doesn't apply to Long.

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:04 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:56 pm

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:46 pm Biggsy i am not saying that Sam is blameless - but merely that he is not the only poor player in a side that is bad out of possession, and that maybe some of the criticism is due to his family link to the club

Those criticisms would disappear if / when Ling is treated like the other fullbacks i.e. you make a mistake you get dropped. Applied to Judd, applied to Ogie, applied to Turley, applied to Widdowson but doesn't apply to Long.

And Akinola.

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:30 pm No matter how well or badly he performs

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:02 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:30 pm No matter how well or badly he performs

Its badly , Clive. Always badly.

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:30 pm To be honest, I thought the whole team was dreadful. Can't see the point of picking on one guy ( but because his pa is DOF I can see why ). The whole defence were extremely poor, except for the goalie who has had a very good season. I think a big reason for our drop in form in the last few matches, has been the mediocre performances of our captain; up until a few weeks ago he has had a brilliant season. As Jobi is no Spring chicken, I feel alarm bells should be ringing. They need to fork out some serious dosh to get a skilled player to be in the heart of the team. Jobi's boots are gonna take a heck of a lot of filling. As for Sam, if I was him I would walk away from the club. No matter how well or badly he performs, idiots on here will condemn him constantly because his dad is DOF. When we acquired him, most people thought we had got a result. I think he has acted with dignity, but he should get out now, because until there is a replacement for Jobi, we can expect some shaky ole results. This is not a criticism of our captain, I feel he has been " put upon"; too much has been asked and expected of him, at the twilight of his career.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:20 pm

OldTownO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:07 pm Find myself seeing another post match analysis which appears to be mainly focused on the failings of Sam Ling and can’t help but feel the need to speak about this.

It appears that nearly every goal conceded is blamed on this lad and I really think there needs to be some level thinking here.

From the games I have watched in the last few seasons, i think the out of possession play has been poor, our shape is shocking, our recovery is slow. Justin managed this very well, he was a defender after all, but since then we have gone back to our old ways.

From what I have seen;

Coulson is not fit enough at this level any more
Happe needs a clever brain next too him
Widdowsopn out of possession play is poor
Brophy is not naturally a full back
Clay out of possession is a liability

I think Ross is fully aware that the defence is his priority and this doesn’t happen overnight - he will make tweaks all season and as long as we stay up, then he can continue to build in the future

Myles Judd has gone on loan and for good reasons - and only Ross will know this, but he can only have done it for the best of Orient

But, and i guess this is my main point, Sam Ling is a pro footballer, like it or not, and he must be trying his best. He is 24, and will have access to social media and be very aware of the witch hunt that he is the subject of. I’ve seen Coulson make some horrendous errors and not be as castigated as Ling has been, and I suppose this makes me wonder if some or all of the criticism is because of who is dad is.

Anyhow, I may have rambled, so i end this now, and I apologise for the rant.

Something I think about at these times, is that Sam’s dad has a history of depression, and if Sam is struggling also, the last thing this young boy needs is constant abuse. It’s very easy to slaughter someone, but we need to realise they are human beings, with feelings.

And, just as a redress, and in case any of you are wondering, no, I’m not martin, in fact, I am not his biggest fan in any way shape or form - but that’s another rant.

But i have played the game, and I am a qualified coach - and I have learnt lots about getting the best out of people.

If you get upset by what people write on here then don’t read it.
If you play football for a living you have to be resilient and take the criticism and bounce back.
Bobby Robson took horrendous criticism, but he battled through, as did Graham Taylor.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:08 pm Yep.

Remind me of one game where he’s actually played well. I don’t mean a game where he’s not cost us a goal or hasn’t made any mistakes, a game when he’s actually looked like a a L2 standard player.