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It’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:51 am The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.
He sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:06 am Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.
This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie
InterstingBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:09 amHe sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:06 am Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.
This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie
Do nothing and very soon, many lower league clubs will be gone completely, many never to return.redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:30 am I agree with your comments concerning the amount of football played and that the League Cup is a tournament that has lost any prestige it once had. Hopefully the EFL will follow suit and ditch the meaningless “Trophy” that has little to commend it.
The big concern I have is the proposed concentration of decision making power being given to what I understand is the nine longest serving teams in the Premier League of which only two thirds ( i.e 6) have to agree in order to change virtually anything.
I don’t think anybody should kid themselves that the owners of these Premiership teams have woken up one morning and suddenly decided that they need to help out the EFL strugglers out of charity! They are in it for themselves and no one else.
I remain deeply suspicious of the scheme and the motives behind it.
That's exactly the point, it IS the money. And the more the big teams have, the harder it is for others to challenge. If you can get beyond the standard inane response of 'Scottish football is rubbish anyway' you only need to look at how Rangers and Celtic have used their financial muscle for decades now to dominate. It doesn't PREVENT other teams from winning things it DOES make it very difficultBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:08 amIt’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:51 am The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.
Without the likes of United and Liverpool, there wouldn’t be the money there is in the PL.
He has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:31 am Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180
Why doesn’t it make sense? There would be 2 domestic honours to fight for every season, giving less teams a chance to ever win anything. The charity shield is a nice curtain raiser for the season. If they get rid of the league cup, it means B teams in the EFL will happen.Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:15 amInterstingBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:09 amHe sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:06 am Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.
This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie
Scrapping the League Cup was the most appealing part of the package to me. The Charity Shield is a one-off glorified friendly so mehhh
We play far too much football in this country at the top level and having two domestic cups doesn't make sense. Hopefully scrapping it might lead to the FA Cup regaining some of its lost prestige. The League Cup itself is a devalued tournament anyway that none of the top teams take seriously but is invariably won by one of the "Big 6's" reserve teams.
Right, so you don’t want a £250m lump sump and 25% of any new tv deal? Money that wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for those big teams? Wasn’t it 2 weeks ago everyone was whinging about not being about to get 120k for the Spurs game? If that was a game against Barnsley, do you think Orient would have got anywhere near that? Look at all the teams that have got far in the cups, got European places and challenged for the league in the last 10/15 years.EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:51 amThat's exactly the point, it IS the money. And the more the big teams have, the harder it is for others to challenge. If you can get beyond the standard inane response of 'Scottish football is rubbish anyway' you only need to look at how Rangers and Celtic have used their financial muscle for decades now to dominate. It doesn't PREVENT other teams from winning things it DOES make it very difficultBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:08 amIt’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:51 am The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.
Without the likes of United and Liverpool, there wouldn’t be the money there is in the PL.
Yep. It's all about getting extra money for the top clubs with a small token handout to the EFL. Not surprised money men are all for it.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:58 amHe has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:31 am Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180
£250m + 25% every deal isn’t a small token.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:27 amYep. It's all about getting extra money for the top clubs with a small token handout to the EFL. Not surprised money men are all for it.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:58 amHe has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:31 am Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180
That isn’t the point. It doesn’t matter if United and Liverpool exist or not. They’re the 2 biggest clubs who bring the most revenue.POSHO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:42 am Of course there would still be money in the pl if united and liverpool didn't exist. Other clubs would come through and the fans in china who have never seen United in the flesh would find another team to support so the tv companies would show those teams. Its what it is because these elite clubs have dominated on every respect of the game. It's a dictatorship and as we all know dictators dont care about the people