EFL bailout approved - Project Big Picture rejected

[Currywurst and Chips]

Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

[ContrifibulatoryFred]

See below

[ContrifibulatoryFred]

The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.

This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie

[BiggsyMalone]

The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.

It’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?

Without the likes of United and Liverpool, there wouldn’t be the money there is in the PL.

[BiggsyMalone]

Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.

This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie

He sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.

[Story of O]

I believe Wolves still got parachute payment even when they played us in League one.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.

This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie

He sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.

Intersting

Scrapping the League Cup was the most appealing part of the package to me. The Charity Shield is a one-off glorified friendly so mehhh

We play far too much football in this country at the top level and having two domestic cups doesn't make sense. Hopefully scrapping it might lead to the FA Cup regaining some of its lost prestige. The League Cup itself is a devalued tournament anyway that none of the top teams take seriously but is invariably won by one of the "Big 6's" reserve teams.

[Sid Bishop]

All round it sounds like a good idea and would ensure more money going to the lower league teams. Promotion and relegation would still happen in all of the leagues, less cup games played and Premier slimmed down from 20 clubs to 18.

[Story of O]

The EFL Trophy should go, no one wants that until the semi final

[gshaw]

It's not about the short term cash windfall it's the changes the big 6 will have the power to impose afterwards.

Don't want B teams... tough
Don't want to lose your academy players for nothing... tough
Don't want reduced promotion spots to the Prem... tough

And so on. Basically giving the future of the game away, the big clubs making a very cynical move here. Travis seems to have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

The only bit of it I agree with is dropping the pointless cups. No one really cares for the EFL Cup or Trophy tbh. However losing FA Cup replays is bad for lower league clubs and that's probably here to stay now.

[redintheface]

I agree with your comments concerning the amount of football played and that the League Cup is a tournament that has lost any prestige it once had. Hopefully the EFL will follow suit and ditch the meaningless “Trophy” that has little to commend it.
The big concern I have is the proposed concentration of decision making power being given to what I understand is the nine longest serving teams in the Premier League of which only two thirds ( i.e 6) have to agree in order to change virtually anything.
I don’t think anybody should kid themselves that the owners of these Premiership teams have woken up one morning and suddenly decided that they need to help out the EFL strugglers out of charity! They are in it for themselves and no one else.
I remain deeply suspicious of the scheme and the motives behind it.

[Loyal_Supporter]

It's not a proposal I support personally.

[Sid Bishop]

I agree with your comments concerning the amount of football played and that the League Cup is a tournament that has lost any prestige it once had. Hopefully the EFL will follow suit and ditch the meaningless “Trophy” that has little to commend it.
The big concern I have is the proposed concentration of decision making power being given to what I understand is the nine longest serving teams in the Premier League of which only two thirds ( i.e 6) have to agree in order to change virtually anything.
I don’t think anybody should kid themselves that the owners of these Premiership teams have woken up one morning and suddenly decided that they need to help out the EFL strugglers out of charity! They are in it for themselves and no one else.
I remain deeply suspicious of the scheme and the motives behind it.

Do nothing and very soon, many lower league clubs will be gone completely, many never to return.

[Constanza]

I expect to hear them on Radio 2 these days but fair play for the bland but edgy songsters to get an airing on Five Live.

[EH16]

The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.

It’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?

Without the likes of United and Liverpool, there wouldn’t be the money there is in the PL.

That's exactly the point, it IS the money. And the more the big teams have, the harder it is for others to challenge. If you can get beyond the standard inane response of 'Scottish football is rubbish anyway' you only need to look at how Rangers and Celtic have used their financial muscle for decades now to dominate. It doesn't PREVENT other teams from winning things it DOES make it very difficult

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

He has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...

[Currywurst and Chips]

Given the Inglethorpe connection too it's sad there's no avenues to take on loan players

[BiggsyMalone]

Guess Travis doesn't see Orient ever going on a promotion spree a la Bournemouth.

This way the clubs furure is secured in the short term and long term they get a few morsels from that sweet sweet Premier League Pie

He sees it that everyone gets a slice of the pie rather than a few teams becoming secure due to parachute payments. I’m opposed to the scrapping of the league cup and charity shield but overall it’s a fair proposal.

Intersting

Scrapping the League Cup was the most appealing part of the package to me. The Charity Shield is a one-off glorified friendly so mehhh

We play far too much football in this country at the top level and having two domestic cups doesn't make sense. Hopefully scrapping it might lead to the FA Cup regaining some of its lost prestige. The League Cup itself is a devalued tournament anyway that none of the top teams take seriously but is invariably won by one of the "Big 6's" reserve teams.

Why doesn’t it make sense? There would be 2 domestic honours to fight for every season, giving less teams a chance to ever win anything. The charity shield is a nice curtain raiser for the season. If they get rid of the league cup, it means B teams in the EFL will happen.

They should make them 1 off games rather than have replays and 2 legged semis

[BiggsyMalone]

The big clubs are going to kill the game completely. One of the joys of football is the rise and fall of successful teams. To exclude this from the equation, no matter what the cash inducement involved, prevents the likelihood of teams such as Ipswich, Watford, Bournemouth, Wimbledon etc from ever challenging the elite - and sides like Liecester, Forest and Aston Villa from ever winning the league again. The main revenue these big clubs will seize is the PPV income which will be theirs to keep and not share.
If this plan is adopted I fear that fans of all clubs will oppose its cartel-type structure.

It’s the same system as they have in Germany. How does it prevent teams like Leicester winning the league? How does it stop teams like you mentioned from ‘challeneging the elite’?

Without the likes of United and Liverpool, there wouldn’t be the money there is in the PL.

That's exactly the point, it IS the money. And the more the big teams have, the harder it is for others to challenge. If you can get beyond the standard inane response of 'Scottish football is rubbish anyway' you only need to look at how Rangers and Celtic have used their financial muscle for decades now to dominate. It doesn't PREVENT other teams from winning things it DOES make it very difficult

Right, so you don’t want a £250m lump sump and 25% of any new tv deal? Money that wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for those big teams? Wasn’t it 2 weeks ago everyone was whinging about not being about to get 120k for the Spurs game? If that was a game against Barnsley, do you think Orient would have got anywhere near that? Look at all the teams that have got far in the cups, got European places and challenged for the league in the last 10/15 years.

The comparison with Scottish football is idiotic.

Where was all this moaning when Bechetti first came in throwing his money about? Orient fans thought it was the start of something special.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

He has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...

Yep. It's all about getting extra money for the top clubs with a small token handout to the EFL. Not surprised money men are all for it.

[JimbO]

Most other leagues have the charity shield they just call it the super cup. It's just a one off game.

As for the league cup no prem sides really give a toss about it until they reach the semi finals and a day out at wembley and a place in Europe beckons.

It's the voting thing that won't wash with most people a quite cynical power grab by the big 6.

To me Travis' view seems a pragmatic but pessimistic one.

[BiggsyMalone]

Says some clubs could start going bust in 5 to 6 weeks a day comes out supporting Project Big Picture initiated by Liverpool and United

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

He has good friends at LFC, doesn’t he...

Yep. It's all about getting extra money for the top clubs with a small token handout to the EFL. Not surprised money men are all for it.

£250m + 25% every deal isn’t a small token.

[POSHO]

Of course there would still be money in the pl if united and liverpool didn't exist. Other clubs would come through and the fans in china who have never seen United in the flesh would find another team to support so the tv companies would show those teams. Its what it is because these elite clubs have dominated on every respect of the game. It's a dictatorship and as we all know dictators dont care about the people

[BiggsyMalone]

Of course there would still be money in the pl if united and liverpool didn't exist. Other clubs would come through and the fans in china who have never seen United in the flesh would find another team to support so the tv companies would show those teams. Its what it is because these elite clubs have dominated on every respect of the game. It's a dictatorship and as we all know dictators dont care about the people

That isn’t the point. It doesn’t matter if United and Liverpool exist or not. They’re the 2 biggest clubs who bring the most revenue.

United and Liverpools doninance over the decades has had zero impact on Leyton Orient.