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Losing opposing team are accused of time wasting

If we are winning it’s called game management

Football fans are a strange breed

I’ve never had a problem with it to be honest. Like you say, everyone does it. It’s part and parcel of the game. Does make me chuckle when people go absolutely ape shot over a keeper taking an extra 20 seconds.

Should do a bit of keepy uppy as well...That'll learn 'em.

Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Mike pinner wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 pm Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Agree completely.

Mike pinner wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 pm Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Definitely.
An external time-keeper would be ideal. Apart from anything else, it would relieve the referee of the unnecessary chore of stopping and starting his watch(es). All of the match officials could get on with the job of officiating rather than having to keep an eye on 'injury time'.
I'd like to see such a thing introduced. Great

Agree with the last 3 posts, absolutely

Fatbaz wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:33 am

Mike pinner wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 pm Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Definitely.
An external time-keeper would be ideal. Apart from anything else, it would relieve the referee of the unnecessary chore of stopping and starting his watch(es). All of the match officials could get on with the job of officiating rather than having to keep an eye on 'injury time'.
I'd like to see such a thing introduced. Great

Why not give that responsibility to the 4fh official. Whilst an external clock would be better, Ive seen at Ice Hockey games where play is stopped but the clock continues unnoticed.

There just needs to be a point blank straight yellow for any time wasting, subs, goal kicks etc, kicking the ball away, it would stop tons of it.

Fatbaz wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:33 am

Mike pinner wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 pm Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Definitely.
An external time-keeper would be ideal. Apart from anything else, it would relieve the referee of the unnecessary chore of stopping and starting his watch(es). All of the match officials could get on with the job of officiating rather than having to keep an eye on 'injury time'.
I'd like to see such a thing introduced. Great

We had a system like that in place some time ago, it was called ''Fergie time'' !!
Problem is it always seemed to favour just the one side !!

Fergie Time was my little trick at Manchester United, admits Sir Alex
https://www.goal.com/en/news/9/english- ... ted-admits

Trouble is a few times this season we have gifted the opposition the ball whilst trying to keep possession/game managment , luckily it did not stop us winning the league

Some interesting ideas there.

I think that there should be a distinction between time when the ball is 'dead' and time whilst it's in play.

When the ball is 'dead' eg: out of play, between the time a free-kick is given and then taken, etc, a timekeeper should simply be able to stop the clock until actual play resumes.

As for time-wasting when the ball is in-play, I don't think that very much could be done about that. I don't think we could - or should - seek to introduce rules that compel players to play in any particular way.

The only current rule that exists - and is seldom imposed - is the time that a goal-keeper is allowed to retain the ball. Too often keepers will hold the ball well beyond the permissible six seconds. More should be done to ensure that this rule is enforced.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:27 am

Mike pinner wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 pm Hopefully it's only a matter of time (no joke intended) before there is an external clock as in rugby, so that when the ball is out of play the clock stops. This would mean there would be no advantage in taking so much time over a goal kick for instance. At the end of 90 minutes (or perhaps 80 as the ball will be in play more) a hooter goes and the match finishes when the ball goes out of play. This would end the seemingly arbitrary amount of time added on which is never enough for the losing team and always too much for the winning one.

Agree completely.

Me too

That's why i never moan about it isn't the phrase one man's nectar is another's poison.

If a stopclock was introduced, games would have to be reduced to about 60 minutes. The ball is actually in play far less than you would believe.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:00 pm If a stopclock was introduced, games would have to be reduced to about 60 minutes. The ball is actually in play far less than you would believe.

That's true.

Fatbaz wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:32 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:00 pm If a stopclock was introduced, games would have to be reduced to about 60 minutes. The ball is actually in play far less than you would believe.

That's true.

Agreed. I remember this idea being floated a couple of years back
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -shake-up/
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... 60-minutes
with 60 minutes as the suggested game length.

I would also not stop the game for substitutes or injuries; play on and perform rolling subs and let the physio come on. (like rugby). I believe this would vastly reduce time wasting.

Not sure about letting everything just flow, it would be a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Rugby is different in that they more or less move in straight lines, football is all over the place plus football is a lot quicker as well, I could see physios being taken clean out.

LeighO wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 8:40 pm I would also not stop the game for substitutes or injuries; play on and perform rolling subs and let the physio come on. (like rugby). I believe this would vastly reduce time wasting.

Spot on fella.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:52 pm Not sure about letting everything just flow, it would be a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Rugby is different in that they more or less move in straight lines, football is all over the place plus football is a lot quicker as well, I could see physios being taken clean out.

Agreed rugby is so boring and a roadmap for oppression.

Too complex for wallapers obviously.