Independent Leyton Orient Forum

“I’m one of them who is uneasy about the risks connected with a return to action. It’s just hard to comprehend how it would actually work in practice. I can take the precautions I need to at home and…I’m doing what I need to do and trying to keep away from people. But the risk for me is just too high. That's the big problem with this virus. Nobody really knows exactly how people are contracting it, the ease of access and I think there are still too many questions, a lot more than we've got answers to at the While that remains the case, it's not safe to go back. I’ve got two kids. My parents are over seventy, so they are in that most at-risk group in terms of age. My mother-in-law who spends a lot of time with us, has had respiratory issues in the past. So she's very much in the high-risk category and I would certainly be very, very reluctant to go and put myself back in an environment where I could then potentially pass something on to my parents or my mother-in-law. So that will be a factor in my decision when I go back. And I know that's no different than many, many other footballers out there. It will be a key factor in when we do start back. I think footballers, will have a voice and rightfully so.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-21880592

Whilst he has a valid point, his parents and his mother in law have bugger all to do with anything. He shouldn’t be seeing them.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:56 pm Whilst he has a valid point, his parents and his mother in law have bugger all to do with anything. He shouldn’t be seeing them.

I think he's talking about when he's asked to go back and not now.

It actually brings up a bigger issue, that there may be players who refuse to play because of health issues in and around their immediate family. Footballers and their families are not immune to life's issues and frailties and so I can see a few stepping back from playing and becoming "conscientious objectors".

We are talking about playing the final games behind closed doors as some kind of easy solution, but it might not be so easy for the players. I think we have to respect that.

Also the fact that BMER seem very susceptible I can understand his reasons to not want to play

Is there even a testing regime that can get answers back quickly enough to state that a training session is safe to start, or a match?

Everyone in the session or match - players, officials, management, medics, analysts etc - must be given the green light as clear at the start of the session or match - not from the night before, or the start of the week, but from tests carried out when they all turn up that day, but before they break distancing.

Bergen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:31 pm We are talking about playing the final games behind closed doors as some kind of easy solution, but it might not be so easy for the players. I think we have to respect that.

Correct. There is zero chance of supporters attending any big sport in 2020.

Zero.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:01 pm

Bergen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:31 pm We are talking about playing the final games behind closed doors as some kind of easy solution, but it might not be so easy for the players. I think we have to respect that.

Correct. There is zero chance of supporters attending any big sport in 2020.

Zero.

I went to Cheltenham in March, does that not count?

It would help an awful lot if they could stop footballers spitting and gobbing all over the place whilst on the pitch.
It is a disgusting practice anyway, would anybody on here like to be walking down a street with people spitting all over the
place all the time, I know I wouldn't.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:24 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:01 pm

Bergen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:31 pm We are talking about playing the final games behind closed doors as some kind of easy solution, but it might not be so easy for the players. I think we have to respect that.

Correct. There is zero chance of supporters attending any big sport in 2020.

Zero.

I went to Cheltenham in March, does that not count?

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

Don't blame Jobi one bit , nobody's missing the pub More than me but I for one won't be going near one for a long time after this shits over

If everyone else is returning to the workplace then football players have no excuse. If it is just them, then fair enough.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:24 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:01 pm

Correct. There is zero chance of supporters attending any big sport in 2020.

Zero.

I went to Cheltenham in March, does that not count?

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:24 pm

I went to Cheltenham in March, does that not count?

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

You are so right. Macron has admitted mistakes. Why can’t Johnson and the rest?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

You are so right. Macron has admitted mistakes. Why can’t Johnson and the rest?

Just listened to Piers Morgan interview the Culture secretary . He put all the points above to him and he could not truefully answer anything. He consistantely stated that they followed the science. This really agitates me as if you include deaths in Care homes we have possibly the second highest deaths in the world.Not something to be proud of. It’s about time we use common sense Government GET A GRIP

The scientific advisers are already taking the wrap for this. Blimey.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:06 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

You are so right. Macron has admitted mistakes. Why can’t Johnson and the rest?

Just listened to Piers Morgan interview the Culture secretary . He put all the points above to him and he could not truefully answer anything. He consistantely stated that they followed the science. This really agitates me as if you include deaths in Care homes we have possibly the second highest deaths in the world.Not something to be proud of. It’s about time we use common sense Government GET A GRIP

Right again. Still cannot understand why the government refuse to tell the truth about the number of fatalities. They are becoming more untrustworthy than China.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 am The scientific advisers are already taking the wrap for this. Blimey.

Already taking the wrap that’s a laugh. Keep showing us graphs that are baffling to the public. We are on a rudderless ship heading towards the rocks. Makes me so mad I could cry.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

You are so right. Macron has admitted mistakes. Why can’t Johnson and the rest?

They believe they are Ubermensch. They don't make mistakes.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

You are so right. Macron has admitted mistakes. Why can’t Johnson and the rest?

They believe they are Ubermensch. They don't make mistakes.

A definite bunch of alter wichsers.

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:47 pm If everyone else is returning to the workplace then football players have no excuse. If it is just them, then fair enough.

I don't think that others returning to the workplace are expected to get quite as close to their peers as footballers

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:24 pm

I went to Cheltenham in March, does that not count?

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

I agree with the above but why does nobody take responsibility for their own actions.
No one was forced to go to Cheltenham. People had the right to think that it was risky and make the decision to stay at home.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:27 am

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:47 pm If everyone else is returning to the workplace then football players have no excuse. If it is just them, then fair enough.

I don't think that others returning to the workplace are expected to get quite as close to their peers as footballers

Have you not seen our defending this year?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:31 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:50 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:48 pm

Really? How many infections do you have on your conscience then?

The fact that the government allowed Cheltenham to take place is one of the many mistakes they have made in this terrible crises. As for the Football Ass. and FIFA allowing 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters coming to Liverpool during the time when the outbreak in Madrid was rampant was appalling. Nobody has ever taken responsibility for these actions and said.WE GOT IT WRONG.

I agree with the above but why does nobody take responsibility for their own actions.
No one was forced to go to Cheltenham. People had the right to think that it was risky and make the decision to stay at home.

I know what you mean, but in this case I disagree that it was a situation where personal responsibility could or should have been relied upon.

The Government kept up the line about "advising" and "strongly advising" us all to stay in and not go to the pub, the restaurant, Cheltenham etc, but without closing them down for those vital days and weeks. The message was always framed as advice, and advice means you can take it or leave it - it's up to you, it's your choice (that word so favoured by free-marketeers).

Many people, including friends of mine, took this to mean that they were taking a decision about their own personal safety and health, rather than the effect they might have on others. That's why folk still went out, they knew of a risk to themselves, and took a judgement that they were prepared to run that risk. The Government should have made clear - by closing pubs etc, and Cheltenham - that the distancing measures were about protecting others, not yourself. That should not be left to choice.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:35 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 am The scientific advisers are already taking the wrap for this. Blimey.

Already taking the wrap that’s a laugh. Keep showing us graphs that are baffling to the public. We are on a rudderless ship heading towards the rocks. Makes me so mad I could cry.

To be fair, the media pressed for these daily briefings, so they feel they have to fill them with something. Some people may find the graphs baffling, and others may not. But the graphs are merely presenting a visual interpretation of the data. I'm not sure what else the scientific advisors should be doing.

As for the rudderless ship comment - that's fair enough. But it's not the job of the scientific advisors to steer the ship - that's what Government ministers and the PM should be doing.