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Discussed at length, with video footage, in the Orient's Penalty thread.
It doesn't happen in Rugby or cricket (or snooker for that matter).sopranO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:35 pm The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...
Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.sopranO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:35 pm The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...
Good point too. Slowing the game is a momentum killer though and no guarantee the ref adds on a similar additonal time from delaying the restart. Keeping the ball out of play is a good tactic when you don't want to throw a result away.eagwgw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:18 am It is true in one sense, it is probably marginal and only buys a few more seconds.
The main aspect is psychological, telling the other team that 'we think we can win this, we don't want a draw'.
If it was a cup tie against National League opponents we would have done it, but like I said I think it reflects the dressing room thinking that a point is a good result.
It certainly looked like itStory of O wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:23 am Did anyone see one of their substituted players run from the bench to join in?
What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 amHaving the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.sopranO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:35 pm The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...
If you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change lawsRedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:36 amWhat is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 amHaving the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.sopranO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:35 pm The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...
If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.
Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.
Yes the game needs more laws.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:53 pmIf you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change lawsRedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:36 amWhat is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 am
Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.
If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.
Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.
1. Allow game to restart at conceding teams discretion ie they can kick off whilst opposition are performing their choreographed celebration routine.
2. Make it a bookable offence for any player on scoring team to touch the ball until game has restarted ( to stop them kicking ball away)
Job done...team with over elaborate celebration will find they have conceded whilst celebrating
I am reducing the laws byMax B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:29 pmYes the game needs more laws.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:53 pmIf you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change lawsRedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:36 am
What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?
If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.
Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.
1. Allow game to restart at conceding teams discretion ie they can kick off whilst opposition are performing their choreographed celebration routine.
2. Make it a bookable offence for any player on scoring team to touch the ball until game has restarted ( to stop them kicking ball away)
Job done...team with over elaborate celebration will find they have conceded whilst celebrating