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Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:08 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Rubbish. There never seems to be a ‘right time’ with this sort of attitude.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:08 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Rubbish. There never seems to be a ‘right time’ with this sort of attitude.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:36 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:08 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Rubbish. There never seems to be a ‘right time’ with this sort of attitude.

As another Jock said.........''Alan Hansen - You can't win anything with Kids'' - MOTD 1995

Alan Hansen, on August 19, 1995 announced on Match of the Day that "You'll never win anything with kids" after a young Manchester United side lost the season opener to Aston Villa 3-1. However, we now all know that Fergie's team of youngsters including David Beckham, the Neville brothers, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt were able to wrestle the title back from Blackburn Rovers, and also win the FA Cup, securing the first of what was to be two consecutive double-winning seasons, a feat never before seen in English football.
Hansen's statement was to famously inspire a t-shirt slogan that became popular with the Old Trafford faithful. At the time Hansen tried to qualify his rash prediciton by claiming that the great Bill Shankly had said it back in the 1970′s, but he has since admitted this to be the biggest blunder of his media career.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

o-no wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:54 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Trouble is, if it isn't a time of crisis, then things are stable - and you could well argue against disrupting a stable team with youth.

Personally, I like to see new youngsters play. One of the few advantages we have as a lower league outfit is the ability to be able to tell our younger players they have a real shot of getting in the first team if they're good enough.

But if we're always cautious and play the same players no matter what (looking at you Mr Clay) then it dissipates that.

In addition, we may unearth a real gem who we might have a shot of selling on for a decent fee, and push the team forward in the meantime.

We will never move forward with a team of journeymen.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:58 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:54 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Trouble is, if it isn't a time of crisis, then things are stable - and you could well argue against disrupting a stable team with youth.

Personally, I like to see new youngsters play. One of the few advantages we have as a lower league outfit is the ability to be able to tell our younger players they have a real shot of getting in the first team if they're good enough.

But if we're always cautious and play the same players no matter what (looking at you Mr Clay) then it dissipates that.

In addition, we may unearth a real gem who we might have a shot of selling on for a decent fee, and push the team forward in the meantime.

We will never move forward with a team of journeymen.

I'm not arguing for a team of journeymen. A blend favouring youth is my preference.

I also don't disagree with your preferred strategy but being so close to relegation with a dysfunctional team won't be turned around by an injection of raw youth.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:49 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:08 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Rubbish. There never seems to be a ‘right time’ with this sort of attitude.

Don't be childish. Argue properly or you're back on foe.

I implicit in my opinion is the position that there are right times to introduce youth. For example, play them when the team is stable and performing well or toward the end of a season when promotion and relegation issues have been settled.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:58 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:49 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:08 pm

Rubbish. There never seems to be a ‘right time’ with this sort of attitude.

Don't be childish. Argue properly or you're back on foe.

I implicit in my opinion is the position that there are right times to introduce youth. For example, play them when the team is stable and performing well or toward the end of a season when promotion and relegation issues have been settled.

Argue properly? You mean in your way, hurling around infantile abuse?

Nah, I will stick to calling out your nonsense.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:58 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:49 pm

Don't be childish. Argue properly or you're back on foe.

I implicit in my opinion is the position that there are right times to introduce youth. For example, play them when the team is stable and performing well or toward the end of a season when promotion and relegation issues have been settled.

Argue properly? You mean in your way, hurling around infantile abuse?

Nah, I will stick to calling out your nonsense.

You haven't called out anything because you have not presented a properly thought out counter opinion.

You often adopt this approach and it just makes you look like a stupid person. I'm not convinced you are. So raise your levels or it's foe time again.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:46 pm Why don't we give Ogie a run out? Either he's good enough or he is not.

This is only a personal opinion but I find it really tiresome when fans start calling for youth to be given a chance at times of crisis.

This is because it is not the right time to introduce inexperience into an already underperforming side.

The actual solution is to have either built a squad with depth with adequate positional replacements or for an experienced manager to identify the issue early doors and to bring in a suitable replacement(s).

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:24 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:58 pm

Argue properly? You mean in your way, hurling around infantile abuse?

Nah, I will stick to calling out your nonsense.

You haven't called out anything because you have not presented a properly thought out counter opinion.

You often adopt this approach and it just makes you look like a stupid person. I'm not convinced you are. So raise your levels or it's foe time again.

Foe me as a new year’s resolution. Would do us both a favour.