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Shadrich ogie was everyone’s, and I mean everyone’s man of the match against southend , yet he is not even on the bench. He should be starting, and in a Defence which is leaking goals Happe should come in for one of the other defenders. Sorry , but Embleton is not for me.

Agreed, and I hope get their chance soon

Serious question..Would you play an relatively inexperienced youngster in a struggling team?

Being overrated because he played well in a game that didnt really matter against Southend's reserves.

He is clearly an outstanding prospect but we need to bring him along slowly this season.

The bigger question why not bring Sotiriou at least onto the bench. We all know Alabi won't cut it so why not give the only other pacy tricky attacker we have on the books a chance?

Everyone is inexperienced until they are given a chance, and I’ve seen ogie at least 4 times and he has been outstanding in every game. Sotouru is another overlooked. If you are good enough you are old enough.

If you are good enough you are old enough
Bohemians in the Irish league brought on a 14 yr old last night !

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:38 pm The bigger question why not bring Sotiriou at least onto the bench. We all know Alabi won't cut it so why not give the only other pacy tricky attacker we have on the books a chance?

This.

He scores a decent international goal against the Netherlands yoof and is still behind the carthorse. It makes no sense to me at all.

I thought this thread would be about Alabi

If you have a talented defender like Ogie as everyone says he is, then there is no reason not to give him is opportunity in a 2nd division side. The probable scenario is we could be in the bottom three pretty soon and you wont see Ogie all season for sure. It's the second division not premier or LaLiga for gods sake. This club has a history of giving young talent the opportunity to shine dont change from that or you may never see stars such as Rofe, Fisher (both full backs), Cunningham, Chiedozie, Grealish, Bart-Williams etc. Those named made debuts also at a higher level.

If Judd can’t get a game. Ogie has no chance.

corkeireorient wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:56 pm If you are good enough you are old enough
Bohemians in the Irish league brought on a 14 yr old last night !

I saw them play St Patricks in April and left at half time. One of the worst games of football I’ve ever seen, no wonder a 14 year old can get a game.

Ogie is not frail kid , he is a man and against a very physical southend forward he literally won everything.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:38 pm The bigger question why not bring Sotiriou at least onto the bench. We all know Alabi won't cut it so why not give the only other pacy tricky attacker we have on the books a chance?

That's what so annoying . Alabi offers nothing yet somebody better then him can't even get onto the bench. Anyway , if we need somebody to come on late to hold the ball up, Harrold is better than Alabi at doing that .

He is behind Happe and Judd in the pecking order and Ross is unlikely to have more than 2 defenders on the bench.

You're a nice bloke Ross but it isn't working out, do the honourable thing and stand down.

Article_50 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:55 pm You're a nice bloke Ross but it isn't working out, do the honourable thing and stand down.

Agreed. It would be the best for everybody all round . Bring somebody new in to sort this mess out while there's still plenty of time .

Article_50 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:55 pm You're a nice bloke Ross but it isn't working out, do the honourable thing and stand down.

I think he may just do that tonight

Simply cannot be worse than the four or five NL standard defenders we have. Even JE would be struggling to get them organized so what chance has a novice RE got.

MrB wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:23 pm Serious question..Would you play an relatively inexperienced youngster in a struggling team?

Serious answer - if you are good enough you are old enough.

He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him regularly in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:08 pm He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Is this the same philosophy being used for Alabi?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:13 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:08 pm He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Is this the same philosophy being used for Alabi?

Cripes, the thought of Alabi here after this season is petrifying. Make that the thought of him here after January...

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:08 pm He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Well then persuade him to sign a contract extension.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:08 pm He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Well then persuade him to sign a contract extension.

Right. So you think that will happen if we start playing him every week and then much bigger clubs start sniffing around and offering him contracts that he can accept. Have you thought this through?

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:30 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:08 pm He's out of contract at the end of the season.

Thinking about the long term, better to bring him along slowly and develop him than have him in the team alerting scouts to his potential and lose him for a paltry compensation fee at the end of the season.

Well then persuade him to sign a contract extension.

Right. So you think that will happen if we start playing him and then much bigger clubs start sniffing around and offering him contracts that he can accept. Have you thought this through?

Or we pay him to not play, on the basis he might sign a contract to not play some more as he won't have any first team experience?

It's again the dilemma of the academy. Costs a tidy sum to develop these players who leave for pennies to continue their "development" in U23 football (then back to L2 on loan a year or two later). Alternatively you take a gamble and throw them in at the deep end and see who can hack it to get half a season or so of first team value (a whole season if you're lucky) before they leave for a slightly larger fee.