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The most important player in the squad for the past two seasons, and whilst it was never going to be possible to find a like for like replacement have we replaced him with anyone even a fraction as good?

I thought this Warrington kid was supposed to be his replacement but the guy can’t even get into the starting line up of a pointless match against a youth team.

Obiero? A monumental risk replacing the best player in our squad with a developing youth team product.

Perkins and Donley? This pair are attacking players, right?

So have we honestly not replaced El Miz at all? Absolutely unforgivable transfer window.

As we all know, El Miz was just relentless. Energy and tenacity all over the field. We don’t have a similar player in the squad and our midfield is much poorer for it.

Of course replacing him is easier said than done.

He was our engine room , not easy to replace

I thought Warrington was the replacement ?

Not sure if we were oversold on Warrington or if we've ballsed up the recruitment.

None of the new recruits have the energy and drive in the 8 role to replace El Miz. The thinking must have been that would come internally - Brown being played further forward (replaced by Warrington at 4), Obeiro, Galbraith etc.

Norlington Road wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:33 am He was our engine room , not easy to replace

I’m not saying we could replace him like for like (unless we got extraordinary lucky with another loan) but I genuinely can’t figure out who is supposed to even attempt to fill the gap he left.

Surely it’s this Warrington bloke? But the guy can’t get in the starting line up. That’s a spectacular balls up in recruitment if so.

I’d be fuming if I were Wellens. He has been properly stitched up here.

The GK situation, as dire at it is, I can at least understand. Hemming was supposed to replace Brynn but he’s just rubbish. Again it’s poor recruitment but at least there is some logic behind it.

Warrington is, by all accounts, a 4. So no.

Some seem to think Brown would be the (internal) replacement but he's nowhere near the same quality as El Miz and struggling without him there cleaning up the loose balls and sniffing out danger.

Although there was talk of El Miz playing further forward last season his best work was still that defensive side, which we badly miss. Add to that the other senior pro departures in midfield and Pratley aside there's no experience left.

Brown is a plodder, got abuse for it at the time but he totally and utterly is, Miz was the class in that duo

El miz is a championship player. To get that in league one you have to pay and we ain’t paying.

Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

That's really amateurish recruitment though if they know Warrington hasn't played for 8 months and can't come straight in who's meant to hold midfield together in the meantime? Richie didn't get the experienced CM he asked for, with Sanders and Moncur both leaving too.

Seems like it's all going to rest on Pratley for now, might have to over-use him in the short-term to buy enough time for others to get up to speed.

Have none you been keeping your eye on Obiero, might be young and still abit raw, but the guy has been all over the pitch trying to stop the opposition and has even got forward a few times.

He's as close to Idris as we are going to get.

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 6:33 pm Some seem to think Brown would be the (internal) replacement but he's nowhere near the same quality as El Miz and struggling without him there cleaning up the loose balls and sniffing out danger.

There’s no other explanation.

I’m not suggesting Brown is as good as El Miz - he isn’t - but he is a perfectly serviceable L1 midfielder, is still young and is still improving season on season.

I guess it was hoped that we could improve the other midfield spots - for 8 and 10 Galbraith / Obeiro / Donkey / ONeill > Moncur / Sanders / Ruel, and at 4 Warrington > Brown, but it hasn’t worked that way.

Saying that, I don’t think midfield is our problem area, despite the obvious lack of experience.

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:45 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

That's really amateurish recruitment though if they know Warrington hasn't played for 8 months and can't come straight in who's meant to hold midfield together in the meantime? Richie didn't get the experienced CM he asked for, with Sanders and Moncur both leaving too.

Seems like it's all going to rest on Pratley for now, might have to over-use him in the short-term to buy enough time for others to get up to speed.

In the meantime you mean 5-6 games?

Patience

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm El miz is a championship player. To get that in league one you have to pay and we ain’t paying.

Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

El-Miz cost Oxford £400,000. I know that's a lot of money but El Miz has left such a big hole in the team I'm wondering if we should have just paid Ipswich's asking price . The trouble is now how much would relegation cost the club in lost revenue if we go down . Good luck with putting up season ticket prices next season if we find ourselves back in League Two . As the old saying goes " Going cheap can be more expensive in the long run "

Fellowo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:56 pm Have none you been keeping your eye on Obiero, might be young and still abit raw, but the guy has been all over the pitch trying to stop the opposition and has even got forward a few times.

He's as close to Idris as we are going to get.

I'm fast becoming a big fan of Obiero's . If he carry's on the way he's going he's going to be some player . I think he's definitely destined to play at a higher level than League One .

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:45 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

That's really amateurish recruitment though if they know Warrington hasn't played for 8 months and can't come straight in who's meant to hold midfield together in the meantime? Richie didn't get the experienced CM he asked for, with Sanders and Moncur both leaving too.

Seems like it's all going to rest on Pratley for now, might have to over-use him in the short-term to buy enough time for others to get up to speed.

In the meantime you mean 5-6 games?

Patience

Until January when we can get a senior pro signed.

There is no time for patience when you're rock bottom with 0 points, unless you want to be aiming for a top 3 finish... of the bottom 8

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:05 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm El miz is a championship player. To get that in league one you have to pay and we ain’t paying.

Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

El-Miz cost Oxford £400,000. I know that's a lot of money but El Miz has left such a big hole in the team I'm wondering if we should have just paid Ipswich's asking price . The trouble is now how much would relegation cost the club in lost revenue if we go down . Good luck with putting up season ticket prices next season if we find ourselves back in League Two . As the old saying goes " Going cheap can be more expensive in the long run "

His new wages would have been a bigger stumbling block than the £400k transfer fee. That and the fact he would presumably rather play Championship football than L1.

Shaq Forde was an important player for us, too.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:55 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:05 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:20 pm El miz is a championship player. To get that in league one you have to pay and we ain’t paying.

Saying that, Warrington has had injuries and we’ve not seen him to write him off yet. Big boots to fill though and realistically el miz was the reason we did so well last year

El-Miz cost Oxford £400,000. I know that's a lot of money but El Miz has left such a big hole in the team I'm wondering if we should have just paid Ipswich's asking price . The trouble is now how much would relegation cost the club in lost revenue if we go down . Good luck with putting up season ticket prices next season if we find ourselves back in League Two . As the old saying goes " Going cheap can be more expensive in the long run "

His new wages would have been a bigger stumbling block than the £400k transfer fee. That and the fact he would presumably rather play Championship football than L1.

Probably on say £8000 plus so unaffordable

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:25 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:45 pm

That's really amateurish recruitment though if they know Warrington hasn't played for 8 months and can't come straight in who's meant to hold midfield together in the meantime? Richie didn't get the experienced CM he asked for, with Sanders and Moncur both leaving too.

Seems like it's all going to rest on Pratley for now, might have to over-use him in the short-term to buy enough time for others to get up to speed.

In the meantime you mean 5-6 games?

Patience

Until January when we can get a senior pro signed.

There is no time for patience when you're rock bottom with 0 points, unless you want to be aiming for a top 3 finish... of the bottom 8

To be honest I'd be happy to finish anywhere this season but the bottom four . Therefore a top 3 finish of the bottom 8 would be enough for me . We've had all Summer to sign that senior pro you're talking about but it didn't happen . What makes you think it will happen in January ?

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:59 am Shaq Forde was an important player for us, too.

As was Ruel Sotiriou , our top goal scorer . It's already looking like we're going to really miss all three this season .

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:25 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:45 pm

That's really amateurish recruitment though if they know Warrington hasn't played for 8 months and can't come straight in who's meant to hold midfield together in the meantime? Richie didn't get the experienced CM he asked for, with Sanders and Moncur both leaving too.

Seems like it's all going to rest on Pratley for now, might have to over-use him in the short-term to buy enough time for others to get up to speed.

In the meantime you mean 5-6 games?

Patience

Until January when we can get a senior pro signed.

There is no time for patience when you're rock bottom with 0 points, unless you want to be aiming for a top 3 finish... of the bottom 8

Who said we are aiming for a top 3 finish.

Again, this anger is all because there is a massive disconnect between fans expectations this season and the club. The budget reflects that

The Reverend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:08 am

Norlington Road wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:33 am He was our engine room , not easy to replace

I’m not saying we could replace him like for like (unless we got extraordinary lucky with another loan) but I genuinely can’t figure out who is supposed to even attempt to fill the gap he left.

Surely it’s this Warrington bloke? But the guy can’t get in the starting line up. That’s a spectacular balls up in recruitment if so.

I’d be fuming if I were Wellens. He has been properly stitched up here.

The GK situation, as dire at it is, I can at least understand. Hemming was supposed to replace Brynn but he’s just rubbish. Again it’s poor recruitment but at least there is some logic behind it.

How can Wellens be stitched up when he is an integral part of the recruitment team. Every decision goes to and through him. If you think there is a "spectacular balls up" in recruitment then Wellens is responsible too.

Its a sh*t start and I doubt it will get much better through this month - but we are not even 10% through the season.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:47 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:25 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:26 pm

In the meantime you mean 5-6 games?

Patience

Until January when we can get a senior pro signed.

There is no time for patience when you're rock bottom with 0 points, unless you want to be aiming for a top 3 finish... of the bottom 8

Who said we are aiming for a top 3 finish.

Again, this anger is all because there is a massive disconnect between fans expectations this season and the club. The budget reflects that

The budget is 10% higher than last year. And that was whilst carrying full salaries for Moncur, Piggot and Edwards/Adu-Adjei rather than a proper footballer.