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Really, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
Are you for real?Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pmReally, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
And they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pmReally, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
We have our own problems in the UK, I am personally more concerned about what is going on here. We have had numerous incidents of mass shootings in the past here also. Shotgun licences are still relatively easy to obtain but most gun crime in the UK is by illegally held weapons not the legally held ones although there have been many cases of legally held guns being used in domestic killings. I know so many people who have licences shotguns who rarely clean or use them and I think the laws should be tightened up here.WilliamTell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:54 pmAnd they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pmReally, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
You are comparing gun crime in the USA with people not cleaning shotguns in the UK?Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pmWe have our own problems in the UK, I am personally more concerned about what is going on here. We have had numerous incidents of mass shootings in the past here also.WilliamTell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:54 pmAnd they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pm
Really, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
Hungerford in 1987 and Dunblane in 1996 and in the last 27 years?
In the USA there have been 319 this year https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/repo ... s-shooting
Shotgun licences are still relatively easy to obtain but most gun crime in the UK is by illegally held weapons not the legally held ones although there have been many cases of legally held guns being used in domestic killings. I know so many people who have licences shotguns who rarely clean or use them and I think the laws should be tightened up here.
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:36 pmYou are comparing gun crime in the USA with people not cleaning shotguns in the UK?Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pmWe have our own problems in the UK, I am personally more concerned about what is going on here. We have had numerous incidents of mass shootings in the past here also.WilliamTell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:54 pm
And they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.
Hungerford in 1987 and Dunblane in 1996 and in the last 27 years?
In the USA there have been 319 this year https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/repo ... s-shooting
Shotgun licences are still relatively easy to obtain but most gun crime in the UK is by illegally held weapons not the legally held ones although there have been many cases of legally held guns being used in domestic killings. I know so many people who have licences shotguns who rarely clean or use them and I think the laws should be tightened up here.
Yeah, we are struggling to deal with all those mass shootings in the last 27 years in the UK.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm ....
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
USA population about 7 times that of UK so statistically would be higher gun crime. London murders and violent crime disproportionately higher than New York though it has been reported.spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:36 pmYeah, we are struggling to deal with all those mass shootings in the last 27 years in the UK.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm ....
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
The USA has already had more today ( and they are between 7 and 11 hours behind us in time)
most bizarre attempt to somehow suggest the UK and USA shooting figures are comparable
USA population about 7 times that of UK so statistically would be higher gun crime. London murders and violent crime disproportionately higher than New York though it has been reported.spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:36 pmYeah, we are struggling to deal with all those mass shootings in the last 27 years in the UK.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm ....
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
The USA has already had more today ( and they are between 7 and 11 hours behind us in time)
most bizarre attempt to somehow suggest the UK and USA shooting figures are comparable
Just curious here, as I have never owned, or wanted to own one.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
112 murders in London for the 12 month reporting period 2022/23.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:18 pmUSA population about 7 times that of UK so statistically would be higher gun crime. London murders and violent crime disproportionately higher than New York though it has been reported.spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:36 pmYeah, we are struggling to deal with all those mass shootings in the last 27 years in the UK.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm ....
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
The USA has already had more today ( and they are between 7 and 11 hours behind us in time)
most bizarre attempt to somehow suggest the UK and USA shooting figures are comparable
O Superman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:42 pmJust curious here, as I have never owned, or wanted to own one.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:23 pm
Hardly, too many people in the UK possess firearms unnecessarily, rarely use them legitimately or clean them ( cleaning is part of the maintenance regime).
Many gun clubs have weapons you can hire so I wonder if there could be a better way of reducing gun ownership here. There have been hundreds of terrible incidents over the years in the US especially (for some reason) in schools and colleges. They cannot sort their own problems out in all this time after several Presidents at the helm. Doubt if we can sort their crime out for them when we cannot sort our own.
If I had a gun and never cleaned / maintained it, wouldn't that make it less likely to work and therefore less of a danger to the general public?
Or are you saying that a dirty gun is likely to go off spontaneously?
That was not the year I was looking at but shockingly high in both cities sadly. I was also looking at violent crime , stabbings and murders as a whole. All those poor victims and families. Awful numbers whatever way you look at it.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:59 pm112 murders in London for the 12 month reporting period 2022/23.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:18 pmUSA population about 7 times that of UK so statistically would be higher gun crime. London murders and violent crime disproportionately higher than New York though it has been reported.spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:36 pm
Yeah, we are struggling to deal with all those mass shootings in the last 27 years in the UK.
The USA has already had more today ( and they are between 7 and 11 hours behind us in time)
most bizarre attempt to somehow suggest the UK and USA shooting figures are comparable
34 murders in New York in December 2022 alone.
The makers of guns would suggest there's a very serious business reason not to ban them, so I don't think I'd include business reasons.Frogger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:10 pm Best option is to ban all guns unless there is a serious business reason. There, solved US and UK crime and the issue of dirty guns!!
Not that hard really, pretty simple. No need for good guys with guns or insane/bad people being able to get their hands on clean or dirty guns.
Many people with weapons can quite easily make their own ammunition. The recent case of the young man who shot and killed intentionally the Met Police Sergeant Ratana in a police station and himself by accident had an antique pistol loaded with home made ammo he made in his garden shed. Some BB guns can be converted into lethal weapons and criminals are using 3D printers to create guns so there is no easy solution to all this.StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:21 pmThe makers of guns would suggest there's a very serious business reason not to ban them, so I don't think I'd include business reasons.Frogger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:10 pm Best option is to ban all guns unless there is a serious business reason. There, solved US and UK crime and the issue of dirty guns!!
Not that hard really, pretty simple. No need for good guys with guns or insane/bad people being able to get their hands on clean or dirty guns.
I'd imagine that a side benefit of banning legal guns would be that it would make it much harder to obtain ammunition for illegal ones. If there's no legal reason for 9mm ammo to be imported at all, then that must make it more difficult for the bad guys.
Illegally held firearms should definitely carry heavier sentences than they do at present (as should possession of a knife IMO).Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pmWe have our own problems in the UK, I am personally more concerned about what is going on here. We have had numerous incidents of mass shootings in the past here also. Shotgun licences are still relatively easy to obtain but most gun crime in the UK is by illegally held weapons not the legally held ones although there have been many cases of legally held guns being used in domestic killings. I know so many people who have licences shotguns who rarely clean or use them and I think the laws should be tightened up here.WilliamTell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:54 pmAnd they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pm
Really, and you live in a country where nurses and parents murdering babies under the nose of authorities and positions designed to protect them.
I totally agree!LittleMate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:19 pmIllegally held firearms should definitely carry heavier sentences than they do at present (as should possession of a knife IMO).Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pmWe have our own problems in the UK, I am personally more concerned about what is going on here. We have had numerous incidents of mass shootings in the past here also. Shotgun licences are still relatively easy to obtain but most gun crime in the UK is by illegally held weapons not the legally held ones although there have been many cases of legally held guns being used in domestic killings. I know so many people who have licences shotguns who rarely clean or use them and I think the laws should be tightened up here.WilliamTell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:54 pm
And they have them in America as well the automatic weapons you can buy legally.