Independent Leyton Orient Forum

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:26 am We have lost the greatest manager we have ever had, and replaced him with an unproven coach. Theres bound to be some trepidation

I actually think however, we will do better than lots on here think. The first 11 looks very good to me, although the squad is lacking depth. If we're lucky with injuries, that first 11 could make the play-offs I think

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:36 am I'd be happy with mid-table.

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:20 am I'm staggered by the amount of doom and gloom on this Board before a ball has even been kicked in anger. I seem to recall there were similar feelings expressed before least season began because of the lack of activity in the transfer market.

I accept we have lost Bonne and Koroma, but would think that we have replaced them with 2 strikers. Of course, whether the replacements will be up to much is still to be seen. We have the same defence, which was so tight last season. The midfield does seem to be lacking a bit, but I thought the same last season.

I suppose a lot of it is because we have lost Edinburgh, bit we should at least give Embleton a chance before we talk about a relegation fight.

I think a lot of it comes from being the Orient. It would be great if we could keep hold of the feelings of euphoria at the close of last season at least until 5:00pm on 3rd August.

MrB wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:50 am Doom and gloom? I ain’t even started yet!

MrB wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:50 am Doom and gloom? I ain’t even started yet!

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:20 am I'm staggered by the amount of doom and gloom on this Board before a ball has even been kicked in anger. I seem to recall there were similar feelings expressed before least season began because of the lack of activity in the transfer market.

I accept we have lost Bonne and Koroma, but would think that we have replaced them with 2 strikers. Of course, whether the replacements will be up to much is still to be seen. We have the same defence, which was so tight last season. The midfield does seem to be lacking a bit, but I thought the same last season.

I suppose a lot of it is because we have lost Edinburgh, bit we should at least give Embleton a chance before we talk about a relegation fight.

I think a lot of it comes from being the Orient. It would be great if we could keep hold of the feelings of euphoria at the close of last season at least until 5:00pm on 3rd August.

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:40 pm

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:20 am I'm staggered by the amount of doom and gloom on this Board before a ball has even been kicked in anger. I seem to recall there were similar feelings expressed before least season began because of the lack of activity in the transfer market.

I accept we have lost Bonne and Koroma, but would think that we have replaced them with 2 strikers. Of course, whether the replacements will be up to much is still to be seen. We have the same defence, which was so tight last season. The midfield does seem to be lacking a bit, but I thought the same last season.

I suppose a lot of it is because we have lost Edinburgh, bit we should at least give Embleton a chance before we talk about a relegation fight.

I think a lot of it comes from being the Orient. It would be great if we could keep hold of the feelings of euphoria at the close of last season at least until 5:00pm on 3rd August.

The loss of JE put an end to that feeling of jubilation and celebration that was oozing through the club, I can't even look at last season highlights now knowing how it ends in tragedy.

That aside when desperately looking for some good news to lighten the mood club then sells its two best attacking assets. Yes both were likely to go and I was expecting it but wasn't expecting us to do nothing more than the absolute bare minimum in bringing in replacements for those released and sold.

Having won the league JE created a real winning vibe that was something I'd never known at Orient. Without him driving the club forward it feels like we're reverting back to "little Leyton Orient" again. From the interim manager appointment which shows a lack of confidence in the new setup to the lack of signings leaving us with not only the weaknesses from last year unaddressed but actually a thinner squad in terms of numbers in and out.

At the end of last season I hoped we could kick on and bounce upwards again. Having seen our business over summer I'd snap your hand off for a comfortable mid-table finish. That's why there's a lack of excitement for the new season imo.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:55 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:40 pm

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:20 am I'm staggered by the amount of doom and gloom on this Board before a ball has even been kicked in anger. I seem to recall there were similar feelings expressed before least season began because of the lack of activity in the transfer market.

I accept we have lost Bonne and Koroma, but would think that we have replaced them with 2 strikers. Of course, whether the replacements will be up to much is still to be seen. We have the same defence, which was so tight last season. The midfield does seem to be lacking a bit, but I thought the same last season.

I suppose a lot of it is because we have lost Edinburgh, bit we should at least give Embleton a chance before we talk about a relegation fight.

I think a lot of it comes from being the Orient. It would be great if we could keep hold of the feelings of euphoria at the close of last season at least until 5:00pm on 3rd August.

The loss of JE put an end to that feeling of jubilation and celebration that was oozing through the club, I can't even look at last season highlights now knowing how it ends in tragedy.

That aside when desperately looking for some good news to lighten the mood club then sells its two best attacking assets. Yes both were likely to go and I was expecting it but wasn't expecting us to do nothing more than the absolute bare minimum in bringing in replacements for those released and sold.

Having won the league JE created a real winning vibe that was something I'd never known at Orient. Without him driving the club forward it feels like we're reverting back to "little Leyton Orient" again. From the interim manager appointment which shows a lack of confidence in the new setup to the lack of signings leaving us with not only the weaknesses from last year unaddressed but actually a thinner squad in terms of numbers in and out.

At the end of last season I hoped we could kick on and bounce upwards again. Having seen our business over summer I'd snap your hand off for a comfortable mid-table finish. That's why there's a lack of excitement for the new season imo.

Absolute nonsense that we have done the bare minimum to replace Bonne and Koroma. We paid fees for both players, for starters.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

Bit confused you ask for debate and then when you get some don't seem to like it.

Yet you say that not everyone's opinion is the same not sure how we're supposed to debate if everyone's opinion is the same.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

Bit confused you ask for debate and then when you get some don't seem to like it.

Yet you say that not everyone's opinion is the same not sure how we're supposed to debate if everyone's opinion is the same.

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:11 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

I certainly wasn't saying that people can't express whatever opinion they want, just that I was staggered by the amount of gloom and doom before a ball has been kicked, after such a great season last time out.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:26 pm

bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:11 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm Does my head in that any comment that doesn't toe the apparent company line of everything is rosy and great is classed as moaning.Its a message board, people have different opinions. Doesn't mean they are right, doesn't mean you are right but finding it increasingly hard to have any sort of meaningful conversation about Orient without being shouted down as wrong or as moaning.

I certainly wasn't saying that people can't express whatever opinion they want, just that I was staggered by the amount of gloom and doom before a ball has been kicked, after such a great season last time out.

Fair.

Personally, it's down to JE. I was so up at the end of last season. A page finally turned. Our luck had changed and we fought our way back into the league. And then our best manager for probably at least my life time, passes away. Aside from all of the obviously bigger impact of that on his family and friends, it just felt like another kick in the teeth for this club and that we will never be able to get back up the leagues without something coming along and hurting us. Almost definitely reading too much into it, but that's how it felt.

In May I was pretty confident we would build on that momentum and we'd be in for an exciting season and a promotion push again. A few months on and i'm disenchanted with some of the decisions being made, if i'm being honest, as much as i back him and want him to do well, I dont think Ross is the man for the job and i'm mentally preparing myself for a difficult season.