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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:39 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:12 am

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:52 pm

Do hope they have a strong case, the defendant and no doubt judiciary too are all public schoolboys, quite likely masons too.

This is a total waste of time . He'll go to court and it will be case dismissed. By the way, is Arron Banks in prison yet ? Yeah, well that was another load of bollocks .

He's not in jail yet but I understand from my source he is still under investigation.

Really ?. Well I wouldn't go holding my breath if I were you . Nothing will happen just as I predicted.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:39 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:12 am

This is a total waste of time . He'll go to court and it will be case dismissed. By the way, is Arron Banks in prison yet ? Yeah, well that was another load of bollocks .

He's not in jail yet but I understand from my source he is still under investigation.

Really ?. Well I wouldn't go holding my breath if I were you . Nothing will happen just as I predicted.

So would you prefer it if we didn't even try to hold lying scumbags like Boris to account? That seems to be the worst possible scenario if serial liars like him believed they were above the law at all times.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:39 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:12 am

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:52 pm

Do hope they have a strong case, the defendant and no doubt judiciary too are all public schoolboys, quite likely masons too.

This is a total waste of time . He'll go to court and it will be case dismissed. By the way, is Arron Banks in prison yet ? Yeah, well that was another load of bollocks .

He's not in jail yet but I understand from my source he is still under investigation.

Your source?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:11 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:39 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:12 am

This is a total waste of time . He'll go to court and it will be case dismissed. By the way, is Arron Banks in prison yet ? Yeah, well that was another load of bollocks .

He's not in jail yet but I understand from my source he is still under investigation.

Your source?

My source also said you were a bawbag.

True to the form of the inarticulate.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:12 pm True to the form of the inarticulate.

That isn't even a sentence.

Maybe not in your level of comprehension of the written word.

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:04 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:39 pm

He's not in jail yet but I understand from my source he is still under investigation.

Really ?. Well I wouldn't go holding my breath if I were you . Nothing will happen just as I predicted.

So would you prefer it if we didn't even try to hold lying scumbags like Boris to account? That seems to be the worst possible scenario if serial liars like him believed they were above the law at all times.

No, I haven't got a problem with that so long as other politicians are held to the same standard of accountability .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 6:06 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:04 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:29 pm

Really ?. Well I wouldn't go holding my breath if I were you . Nothing will happen just as I predicted.

So would you prefer it if we didn't even try to hold lying scumbags like Boris to account? That seems to be the worst possible scenario if serial liars like him believed they were above the law at all times.

No, I haven't got a problem with that so long as other politicians are held to the same standard of accountability .

Who else lied to the electorate in such a momentous way?

Lock him up

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:26 pm Maybe not in your level of comprehension of the written word.

Neither is that. It doesn't make sense.

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:35 pm Lock him up

And throw away the key !

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:40 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:26 pm Maybe not in your level of comprehension of the written word.

Neither is that. It doesn't make sense.

Your constant profanity-riddled mumblings do indeed make no sense. Glad that we are in agreement.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:45 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:40 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:26 pm Maybe not in your level of comprehension of the written word.

Neither is that. It doesn't make sense.

Your constant profanity-riddled mumblings do indeed make no sense. Glad that we are in agreement.

Not at your level not "not in your level".

Like I said. Nonsensical.

do governments tell lies ?
anybody remember Dartford toll.

The geezer that has brought this case originally raised funds through crowd funding with the promise not to take any of the money raised.

Guess what? He’s taken money out of the fund and paid himself. So he’s accusing someone of lying yet has lied himself. He has zero integrity now.

And max I’m not suggesting Boris has any either just pointing out the crass hypocrisy of the guy concerned.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:57 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:45 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 7:40 pm

Neither is that. It doesn't make sense.

Your constant profanity-riddled mumblings do indeed make no sense. Glad that we are in agreement.

Not at your level not "not in your level".

Like I said. Nonsensical.

As previously stated, your woeful wittering falls firmly into this category. In fact, your postings lately indicate you are not at your best.

Lift your game fella.

Having just read the full transcript of the Magistrate's decision, there is something very worrying for democracy if the case succeeds at trial.

An MP holds public office so can be guilty of Misconduct in Public Office.

Imagine a general election campaign where say a sitting Lib Dem MP says something untrue about the Labour candidate eg that they are a paedophile. The Labour candidate says that about the the Tory candidate and the Tory candidate says it about both the Lib Dem MP and the Labour candidate.


The only person who could be charged with a criminal offence is the MP. Thus election candidates can say what they like against the MP with impunity, but not vice versa


Democracy?

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm Having just read the full transcript of the Magistrate's decision, there is something very worrying for democracy if the case succeeds at trial.

An MP holds public office so can be guilty of Misconduct in Public Office.

Imagine a general election campaign where say a sitting Lib Dem MP says something untrue about the Labour candidate eg that they are a paedophile. The Labour candidate says that about the the Tory candidate and the Tory candidate says it about both the Lib Dem MP and the Labour candidate.


The only person who could be charged with a criminal offence is the MP. Thus election candidates can say what they like against the MP with impunity, but not vice versa


Democracy?

Who gives a sh*t when its Boris in the dock

I’m still interested in where he arrived at £360 billion. More that our contributions even if he excluded the rebates so he must have included other figures, on the basis he didn’t just make them up. Wonder if he included benefits, housing and other costs arising from EU people living in the Uk, conveniently forgetting their tax contributions.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:56 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm Having just read the full transcript of the Magistrate's decision, there is something very worrying for democracy if the case succeeds at trial.

An MP holds public office so can be guilty of Misconduct in Public Office.

Imagine a general election campaign where say a sitting Lib Dem MP says something untrue about the Labour candidate eg that they are a paedophile. The Labour candidate says that about the the Tory candidate and the Tory candidate says it about both the Lib Dem MP and the Labour candidate.


The only person who could be charged with a criminal offence is the MP. Thus election candidates can say what they like against the MP with impunity, but not vice versa


Democracy?

Who gives a sh*t when its Boris in the dock

I do

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:58 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:56 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm Having just read the full transcript of the Magistrate's decision, there is something very worrying for democracy if the case succeeds at trial.

An MP holds public office so can be guilty of Misconduct in Public Office.

Imagine a general election campaign where say a sitting Lib Dem MP says something untrue about the Labour candidate eg that they are a paedophile. The Labour candidate says that about the the Tory candidate and the Tory candidate says it about both the Lib Dem MP and the Labour candidate.


The only person who could be charged with a criminal offence is the MP. Thus election candidates can say what they like against the MP with impunity, but not vice versa


Democracy?

Who gives a sh*t when its Boris in the dock

I do

I don't

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm Having just read the full transcript of the Magistrate's decision, there is something very worrying for democracy if the case succeeds at trial.

An MP holds public office so can be guilty of Misconduct in Public Office.

Imagine a general election campaign where say a sitting Lib Dem MP says something untrue about the Labour candidate eg that they are a paedophile. The Labour candidate says that about the the Tory candidate and the Tory candidate says it about both the Lib Dem MP and the Labour candidate.


The only person who could be charged with a criminal offence is the MP. Thus election candidates can say what they like against the MP with impunity, but not vice versa


Democracy?

Do you not think it's correct that a sitting MP (or a Minister, or a Mayor) should be held to a higher standard than a candidate? I do.

I'd argue that the Lie that he promoted carried more weight because it was an MP stating it and promoting it, rather than some other individual. If Aaron Banks had been the one standing in front of the bus, would the lie have carried the same weight in the public's eye as it did with Johnson standing in front of it and repeating it?

The long and the short of it is that if you're in Public Office, you shouldn't engage in misconduct (in this case, lying to the public* over and over again)

*Note for the hard of thinking, I stated "lying to the public", as opposed to making a promise that is not kept in the fullness of time, or making a prediction that does not come to fruition.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:06 pm...

Do you not think it's correct that a sitting MP (or a Minister, or a Mayor) should be held to a higher standard than a candidate? I do.

...

Not in the situation I describe when all are involved in the same election.

Everyone in the contest should be playing to the same rules.



Your question is a bit like saying because Orient won silverware last season, then only get 3 points for a win this season if they win by 3 goals, but other sides don't have to win by 3

Maybe they will argue it didn't matter because everyone already knows he is a pathological liar