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Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:00 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 1:36 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 12:10 pm

Your argument is facile. We are (at the moment) part of the EU and have been for many years. We voted to leave. Simple, you say. But surely you didn't expect us to just leave without any form of negotiated deal? I don't believe most of the 17m or so expected that. If you did then, quite frankly, you ARE dumb and fully deserve to be called so.

You are so wrong if you took the time to speak to the people who voted Brexit instead of slagging everyone off who disagrees with you, you will find most if not all just wanted out, walk away, give them nothing, in other words NO DEAL

Yes, well said point nine.
This is so easy.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 1:42 pm That's because they don't understand the repercussions of no deal.

admin wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:33 pm

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:17 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:13 pm

Only reference I can find to that spurious claim is this: https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/foot ... -1-5990518

Looks like it was a decision made following recommendations made in a report commissioned by...the UK Government. So, erm, not the EU.

If that's not the story you were referring to, can you share the link?

2005 Cardiff city council

Assume you're referring to this: (Text from EuroMyths).

Tea bag ban over foot-and-mouth (BBC News Online, 7 January 2005)
Householders have been told not to throw tea bags in waste meant for compost because it is a foot-and-mouth risk. Cardiff council said European regulations meant tea bags or vegetable peelings could not go in bins used to collect “green” waste. The rules, which affect all local councils, say kitchen waste is a danger because it may have been in contact with meat. The bins are composted and sold to the public. Until now, users have been able to include material such as coffee filters and vegetable peelings. But the authority is set to enforce EU laws designed to prevent a further outbreak of foot-and-mouth by excluding materials which may have been in contact with meat and milk…

Under EU law the UK is fully entitled, but not obliged, to impose stringent standards on the composting of household catering waste. Following recent animal disease catastrophes, new EU rules are now in place to better control the processing and disposal of animal by-products – a major step forward in attempts to prevent another foot-and-mouth or BSE crisis. Whilst household catering waste – including teabags – falls within the scope of the EU Animal By-Products Regulation 2002, national rules may still be applied to its composting. It is also up to member states to ensure they have the treatment facilities in place to enforce their own standard.

Are you honestly saying directives such as the above (which is intended to assist in preventing further Foot and Mouth outbreaks which incidentally amounted to over 2000 cases and 6M sheep / cows being slaughtered) present genuine examples of EU laws you don't like? Seriously? It's a conversation I have with Brexiters constantly - you ask them what laws they don't like and besides banana shapes, I've yet to have anyone put forward a law that makes their lives intolerable.

Oh and by the way the stuff about balloons / 8 years olds is bollocks as well - https://www.eurofins.co.uk/news-archive ... -balloons/

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:54 pm You might be right, but it's Farage and co (and Trump over the Pond) who are making the most false promises. Seems people only want to hold people to account when it suits them.

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:13 pm

admin wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:33 pm

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:17 pm
2005 Cardiff city council

Assume you're referring to this: (Text from EuroMyths).

Tea bag ban over foot-and-mouth (BBC News Online, 7 January 2005)
Householders have been told not to throw tea bags in waste meant for compost because it is a foot-and-mouth risk. Cardiff council said European regulations meant tea bags or vegetable peelings could not go in bins used to collect “green” waste. The rules, which affect all local councils, say kitchen waste is a danger because it may have been in contact with meat. The bins are composted and sold to the public. Until now, users have been able to include material such as coffee filters and vegetable peelings. But the authority is set to enforce EU laws designed to prevent a further outbreak of foot-and-mouth by excluding materials which may have been in contact with meat and milk…

Under EU law the UK is fully entitled, but not obliged, to impose stringent standards on the composting of household catering waste. Following recent animal disease catastrophes, new EU rules are now in place to better control the processing and disposal of animal by-products – a major step forward in attempts to prevent another foot-and-mouth or BSE crisis. Whilst household catering waste – including teabags – falls within the scope of the EU Animal By-Products Regulation 2002, national rules may still be applied to its composting. It is also up to member states to ensure they have the treatment facilities in place to enforce their own standard.

Are you honestly saying directives such as the above (which is intended to assist in preventing further Foot and Mouth outbreaks which incidentally amounted to over 2000 cases and 6M sheep / cows being slaughtered) present genuine examples of EU laws you don't like? Seriously? It's a conversation I have with Brexiters constantly - you ask them what laws they don't like and besides banana shapes, I've yet to have anyone put forward a law that makes their lives intolerable.

Oh and by the way the stuff about balloons / 8 years olds is bollocks as well - https://www.eurofins.co.uk/news-archive ... -balloons/

What about straight cucumbers? Was or was that not an EU directive?
Banning no high powered vacuum cleaners was an EU directive. The fact that more powerful vacuum cleaners are quicker and more efficient and therefore save time for the operator and cost in electricity because they are switched on for less time was overlooked by the geniuses in Brussels or Strasbourg or wherever in the vast ministries of silly rules that we are paying for

greyhound wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:14 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:54 pm You might be right, but it's Farage and co (and Trump over the Pond) who are making the most false promises. Seems people only want to hold people to account when it suits them.

you have to give it to both of them. whatever they are saying to the people is working.
we all no that Farage will walk the the EU elections, and trump will will be elected next time round.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 pm

greyhound wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:14 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:54 pm You might be right, but it's Farage and co (and Trump over the Pond) who are making the most false promises. Seems people only want to hold people to account when it suits them.

you have to give it to both of them. whatever they are saying to the people is working.
we all no that Farage will walk the the EU elections, and trump will will be elected next time round.

It's not what Farage is doing but what the two main party's aren't doing.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:42 pm "I have a vg understanding of no deal.

Long term prosperity!"

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 5:50 pm Not really understanding of a repercussion, is it though? It's a bad faith guess.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 6:18 pm And there we have it. As with all Brexiters, disengages when pressed on detail.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 12:38 am Andrew Marr's interview with Farage, well hardly any questions about Brexit, the single most important issue in the country probably at the moment, so pretty well sums up what the interviewer was trying to do.....or avoid in this case !! Can Marr also have Mrs May on there and ask her if she still stand's by "I will deliver the BREXIT people asked for" and "No deal is better than a bad deal" !! Or even better, let us have 80% of any of the MP's on there and ask "Do you still agree with your manifesto promise, that you were elected on, that you will support this ''Once in a generation vote'' there will be no going back, the people have spoken and we will deliver on that result" Not a chance of this happening, I mean after all, this is the ''Brussels Broadcasting Consortium'' !

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 6:18 pm And there we have it. As with all Brexiters, disengages when pressed on detail.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 7:01 pm But aren’t you claiming that 15 000 000 are wrong, plus the millions who have now changed their minds who now realise they were lied to?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 7:01 pm But aren’t you claiming that 15 000 000 are wrong, plus the millions who have now changed their minds who now realise they were lied to?