Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
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Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 am
IDS held on by just over 1,000 votes. Lib Dems voters in Chingford can give themselves a pat on the back.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:51 am
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:49 am
Oh lordy. “Disappointing result” doesn’t cover what I’m feeling this morning. But it is what it is. Time for the inquest later when the dust settles. So it goes.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:17 am
Same, Dunnem. Though my hunch of what would cost Labour was correct.
Personally couldn't give a f*** about Swinson or anyone losing their seat. Cheering that only deflects from the real issue facing Labour and a horrific night. Way too angry with my own party leadership to take consolation in anything.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:24 am
I am one of those Boris referred to in his speech who voted Conservative for the first time yesterday. I would describe myself as a traditional Labour supporter who has always wanted us out the EU. But above all I am a democrat, and I don’t take kindly to parliament blocking what they had promised to deliver, and I’m delighted to see enough who did that swept aside. Labour Party chairman Ian Lavery understands that, as does the likes of Caroline Flint, who I was sorry to see voted out, for the party need more like her in it.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:44 am
Boris won the London Mayoral elections twice, arguably the most diverse city in the world and smashed the General Election last night. If Boris is a cnut, what does that make the rest of them ?
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:16 am
Silly cnuts?RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:44 am Boris won the London Mayoral elections twice, arguably the most diverse city in the world and smashed the General Election last night. If Boris is a cnut, what does that make the rest of them ?
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:21 am
Agree with this, he plays up to an image but is no mug. Dismissing him as a bumbling oaf as many lefties like to do will only mean he keeps on winning.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:44 am Boris won the London Mayoral elections twice, arguably the most diverse city in the world and smashed the General Election last night. If Boris is a cnut, what does that make the rest of them ?
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:30 am
Without wishing to generalise, lots of lefties recognise the act and how dangerous he is.
It’s those that vote for him who accept the bumbling oaf shtick.
It’s those that vote for him who accept the bumbling oaf shtick.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:44 am
Still blaming the electorate?
its really not attractive to tell people they were wrong in the way they voted.
The Labour offering was not what the country want hence the 8% loss in the vote from Labour, not incidentally to Tory as they only gained 1% of vote. The figures sort of blast a hole in your electorate blaming.
Unless and until Labour come up with something that appeals to the public, not just Momentum supporters, they will struggle. The electorate is the population of the UK, not Momentum members only
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:55 am
What a place to be in I support and love both Jeremy and Leyton Orient.
Both of which are in a pretty pickle at the moment.
Sometimes life ain't fair.
Both of which are in a pretty pickle at the moment.
Sometimes life ain't fair.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:59 am
Honestly, I can't think of a Labour election defeat that's depressed me as much as this one. Not because of any great desire to see Corbyn as PM (the post-mortem for labour is going to be a bloodbath let alone any decision on a future direction), but an overwhelming feeling of despair at watching traditional labour voters plumping for an elitist liar whose message of "Get Brexit Done" clearly cut through above everything else. Even Caroline Flint who's voted for every withdrawal deal has been dumped in Don Valley - a sign that Labour's policy on Brexit failed massively in leave voting communities. Add to that, the toxicity surrounding brand Corbyn (for reasons various which would take too long to go into here), a thumping defeat has proved inevitable.
Make no mistake, Boris et al are no friends of the working class and even less friends of the BAME / LGBT communities. Right-wing racists and homophobic nutters everywhere will feel emboldened by this result. The poor will remain poor if not poorer and yet they voted for it. Brexit will now happen in whatever form Boris wants it too. Time will tell if the predictions of damage to the economy are correct - as a remainer who's conceded defeat, I can only hope that it's the success liars like Gove and Johnson say it will be (hint - it's not likely).
As a believer in a socialism and a fairer society, there's no words - just sadness.
Make no mistake, Boris et al are no friends of the working class and even less friends of the BAME / LGBT communities. Right-wing racists and homophobic nutters everywhere will feel emboldened by this result. The poor will remain poor if not poorer and yet they voted for it. Brexit will now happen in whatever form Boris wants it too. Time will tell if the predictions of damage to the economy are correct - as a remainer who's conceded defeat, I can only hope that it's the success liars like Gove and Johnson say it will be (hint - it's not likely).
As a believer in a socialism and a fairer society, there's no words - just sadness.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:00 am
Caroline Flint, a really good MP who relates far more to the traditional labour voters than the leadership currently in place. Problem is that power is for for now in firmly the hands of this Momentum group and those Labour MP's who are firmly in the arrogant left wing metropolitan elite bubble.EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:24 am I am one of those Boris referred to in his speech who voted Conservative for the first time yesterday. I would describe myself as a traditional Labour supporter who has always wanted us out the EU. But above all I am a democrat, and I don’t take kindly to parliament blocking what they had promised to deliver, and I’m delighted to see enough who did that swept aside. Labour Party chairman Ian Lavery understands that, as does the likes of Caroline Flint, who I was sorry to see voted out, for the party need more like her in it.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:05 am
I think you find The Membership will have the last say.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:14 am
Not even 1983? That seemed a particular nadir at the time
Not because of any great desire to see Corbyn as PM (the post-mortem for labour is going to be a bloodbath let alone any decision on a future direction), but an overwhelming feeling of despair at watching traditional labour voters plumping for an elitist liar whose message of "Get Brexit Done" clearly cut through above everything else. Even Caroline Flint who's voted for every withdrawal deal has been dumped in Don Valley - a sign that Labour's policy on Brexit failed massively in leave voting communities. Add to that, the toxicity surrounding brand Corbyn (for reasons various which would take too long to go into here), a thumping defeat has proved inevitable.
Make no mistake, Boris et al are no friends of the working class and even less friends of the BAME / LGBT communities. Right-wing racists and homophobic nutters everywhere will feel emboldened by this result. The poor will remain poor if not poorer and yet they voted for it. Brexit will now happen in whatever form Boris wants it too. Time will tell if the predictions of damage to the economy are correct - as a remainer who's conceded defeat, I can only hope that it's the success liars like Gove and Johnson say it will be (hint - it's not likely).
As a believer in a socialism and a fairer society, there's no words - just sadness.
I concur that for Labour to recover there will need to be blood letting. The worry for me is that I can't immediately see someone to stand up to Momentum in the way Kinnock did with Militant Tendancy in that famous party conference speech. He set the process rolling that John Smith continued and left Tony Blair with a simple touchdown.
As Corbyn is currently leader, it may prove harder to defeat than Militant Tendancy as they may have a stronger grip.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:20 am
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:26 am
That is your opinion and you are entitled to your own opinion, but that is all it is, your opinion but NOT a fact.Admin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:59 am Honestly, I can't think of a Labour election defeat that's depressed me as much as this one. Not because of any great desire to see Corbyn as PM (the post-mortem for labour is going to be a bloodbath let alone any decision on a future direction), but an overwhelming feeling of despair at watching traditional labour voters plumping for an elitist liar whose message of "Get Brexit Done" clearly cut through above everything else. Even Caroline Flint who's voted for every withdrawal deal has been dumped in Don Valley - a sign that Labour's policy on Brexit failed massively in leave voting communities. Add to that, the toxicity surrounding brand Corbyn (for reasons various which would take too long to go into here), a thumping defeat has proved inevitable.
Make no mistake, Boris et al are no friends of the working class and even less friends of the BAME / LGBT communities. Right-wing racists and homophobic nutters everywhere will feel emboldened by this result. The poor will remain poor if not poorer and yet they voted for it. Brexit will now happen in whatever form Boris wants it too. Time will tell if the predictions of damage to the economy are correct - as a remainer who's conceded defeat, I can only hope that it's the success liars like Gove and Johnson say it will be (hint - it's not likely).
As a believer in a socialism and a fairer society, there's no words - just sadness.
Many others view things differently, we have had a general election and the results are in, the majority have decided what they want, now time to move on.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:27 am
That's the thing though, simplicity wins. More so in times when people are fed up.
I actually read each party's manifesto and try to imagine I'm an undecided voter. Looking at it through that lens, Labour's was f*cking terrible - way too long and read like it had been written by an overly excited English language student. I mean, no-one's going to bloody read all that (apart from sad fuckers like me). The Tories' was way better - slick and to the point. I may not agree with a lot of things in it, but as a voter I get a simple and clear message. "Get Brexit Done" vs "Negotiate a deal in 3 months and then put it back to the people against Remain" is like night and day.
Politics - Brexit especially - is a highly complicated subject, but it takes a great deal of skill to dress it up and present it to voters in an understandable and convincing form. Underestimate it at your peril. Boris/Cummings managed that perfectly, whereas Corbyn was (and always has been) totally devoid of any intellectual capability to do so. His supporters like to think the voting public are thick but they should look to their leader if they want to know who the real thicko is.
This was always gonna happen with Corbs btw, the only surprise is that it didn't happen sooner.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:41 am
Not losing as badly as predicted in 2017 was a curse in disguise perhaps.
No party has come back from a defeat of this magnitude to win the next election. Add to that that there will almost certainly be changes to constituency boundaries, that could be another ten years whereby Labour are sat in opposition being little more than a glorified pressure group. Their only hope may be that, once the Tories "Get Brexit Done" the Northern voters may switch back.
No party has come back from a defeat of this magnitude to win the next election. Add to that that there will almost certainly be changes to constituency boundaries, that could be another ten years whereby Labour are sat in opposition being little more than a glorified pressure group. Their only hope may be that, once the Tories "Get Brexit Done" the Northern voters may switch back.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:55 am
Totally surprised by your Momentum comment and agree about Tony Blair, gonna have to lye down in a dark room to recover you floored me.Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:24 pmTime for him to fall on his sword, along with the rest of the Momentum muppets.
Time for the Blairites to return to actually make Labour electable again. The alternative is a generation of this lying Tory scum.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:17 pm
It was a Brexit election they weren't interested in Corblymies policies or him, The guy is mega toxic, how on earth did they think he was fit for purpose, all they had to do was walk down any high street and speak to the people the day after announcing him as leader. What a dumb ass bunch of idiots labour are. dumping a winning Blair format and following someone almost as bad as Mosely.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:43 pm Don't think Corbyn's policies are particularly unpopular with voters, the problem is Corbyn himself. Totally unelectable and unfit to lead a major political party.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:17 pm
You've spent three paragraphs saying the electorate are thick, then moan at Corbyn supporters for agreeing with you?Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:27 amThat's the thing though, simplicity wins. More so in times when people are fed up.
I actually read each party's manifesto and try to imagine I'm an undecided voter. Looking at it through that lens, Labour's was f*cking terrible - way too long and read like it had been written by an overly excited English language student. I mean, no-one's going to bloody read all that (apart from sad fuckers like me). The Tories' was way better - slick and to the point. I may not agree with a lot of things in it, but as a voter I get a simple and clear message. "Get Brexit Done" vs "Negotiate a deal in 3 months and then put it back to the people against Remain" is like night and day.
Politics - Brexit especially - is a highly complicated subject, but it takes a great deal of skill to dress it up and present it to voters in an understandable and convincing form. Underestimate it at your peril. Boris/Cummings managed that perfectly, whereas Corbyn was (and always has been) totally devoid of any intellectual capability to do so. His supporters like to think the voting public are thick but they should look to their leader if they want to know who the real thicko is.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:20 pm
I think that will be the case.
IMO this is a reminder that MPs are voted in to serve their constituencies, not do as they please because they think they know better.
Re: The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:25 pm
They'll definitely switch back once brexit is done but it'll be too late to undo the worst of the damage by then.