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Posted: **Sun Oct 04, 2026 8:26 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2026 7:18 pm
E10quence wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2026 6:23 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2026 6:13 pm
Have we not played
3-4-2-1
4-1-41
5-3-2
4-2-3-1
4-3-3

Never consistently and, even if we have notionally played those formations, in reality they're often just slight variations on 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2/5-3-2 due to the personnel on the field being played out-of-position.

The patterns of play (i.e. horseshoe of death) and offensive/defensive shapes rarely change.
The horseshoe of death

So we do play with a plan b or c or d
Cheers for proving my point.
He's literally a genius compared to Vacuum & his enablers of the wj1
Instead of calling henri the vaccum out as some sort of Hateful Troll that he clearly is

Never really a Horeshoe

If only you had the Brains to understand Football you'd be dangerous

Posted: **Sun Oct 04, 2026 10:11 pm**

Torn on this one. He does have a good record and we are 10th and a couple of wins and we could be right up there again.
But, despite the signing of some great players we are just so predictable. He is a bit of a plonker as well.

Posted: **Sun Oct 04, 2026 10:18 pm**

Constanza wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2026 10:11 pm Torn on this one. He does have a good record and we are 10th and a couple of wins and we could be right up there again.
But, despite the signing of some great players we are just so predictable. He is a bit of a plonker as well.

The present position of 11th is bang on exactly where I expect the club the end up this season. Provided there's a W here and there to balance out the poor results the show will go on

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 11:21 am**

In the 50's Lester Piggott rode the Derby winner, 'Never say die.' Just thought you might muse at the connection..

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:21 pm**

Interesting that our only home win this season did not involve our 25, either starting or from the bench. That leap to actually starting the next game does seem counter intuitive. Just saying.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm**

I saw the reasoning behind him playing last season, but after a summer of recruitment it is mind boggling that C Wellens is still getting in the squad, let alone starting.

He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I will give R Wellens the benefit of the doubt in that Hayden had been away, and Clare was away too. If he is starting over either of them, or Dobra at Bradford, I will be severely disappointed. It is getting to a stage when it is calling into question his whole judgement.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 7:30 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm I saw the reasoning behind him playing last season, but after a summer of recruitment it is mind boggling that C Wellens is still getting in the squad, let alone starting.

He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I will give R Wellens the benefit of the doubt in that Hayden had been away, and Clare was away too. If he is starting over either of them, or Dobra at Bradford, I will be severely disappointed. It is getting to a stage when it is calling into question his whole judgement.

Pretty sure Wellens Junior wasn't the only one who gave up when that tbug was near him

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 7:40 pm**

Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 7:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm I saw the reasoning behind him playing last season, but after a summer of recruitment it is mind boggling that C Wellens is still getting in the squad, let alone starting.

He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I will give R Wellens the benefit of the doubt in that Hayden had been away, and Clare was away too. If he is starting over either of them, or Dobra at Bradford, I will be severely disappointed. It is getting to a stage when it is calling into question his whole judgement.
Pretty sure Wellens Junior wasn't the only one who gave up when that tbug was near him

Nothing thuggish about him, just a good, strong defender at league 1 level. Wellens gave up because he insufficient running power at this level.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:13 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 7:40 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 7:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm I saw the reasoning behind him playing last season, but after a summer of recruitment it is mind boggling that C Wellens is still getting in the squad, let alone starting.

He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I will give R Wellens the benefit of the doubt in that Hayden had been away, and Clare was away too. If he is starting over either of them, or Dobra at Bradford, I will be severely disappointed. It is getting to a stage when it is calling into question his whole judgement.
Pretty sure Wellens Junior wasn't the only one who gave up when that tbug was near him
Nothing thuggish about him, just a good, strong defender at league 1 level. Wellens gave up because he insufficient running power at this level.

O.K Mr Vacuum Cleaner defence.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:14 pm**

How many Accounts does this person allowed
I'd ask the Moderators ?

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:28 pm**

If you think that every Orient fan who thinks C Wellens is not up to it is the same person, then there won't be many Orient fans at all

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:58 pm**

The Loud Minority talk alot
The Silent Majority are
happy enough enough at
The moment

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:01 pm**

Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:58 pm
The Loud Minority talk alot
The Silent Majority are
happy enough enough at
The moment

If you can provide evidence for that I might consider it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:30 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:01 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:58 pm
The Loud Minority talk alot
The Silent Majority are
happy enough enough at
The moment
If you can provide evidence for that I might consider it.

Go & read the comment sections on Fboke
Those who criticise get 5 or 6 likes
Those who take the p155 out of the critics get many many moreThose who criticise

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:31 pm**

Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:01 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 8:58 pm
The Loud Minority talk alot
The Silent Majority are
happy enough enough at
The moment
If you can provide evidence for that I might consider it.
Go & read the comment sections on Fboke
get 5 or 6 likes
Those who take the p155 out of the critics get many many moreThose who criticise

I don't think Facebook counts as a reliable and fair sample.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:32 pm**

It’s just laughable now.
I rolled my eyes and chuckled when I saw the team on Saturday.

With the options on the bench it’s just silly

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:33 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:31 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:01 pm

If you can provide evidence for that I might consider it.
Go & read the comment sections on Fboke
get 5 or 6 likes
Those who take the p155 out of the critics get many many moreThose who criticise
I don't think Facebook counts as a reliable and fair sample.

Its more reliable than this place !

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm
He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:59 pm**

E10quence wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm
He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.

And so unlike his dad. Was interesting that Richie described Alfie as a player who likes getting involved and battling.

Charlie’s he’s own man, fair enough but if he had an ounce of aggression he might actually have some value

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:00 pm**

E10quence wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm
He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.

I'm willing to be charitable and say he knows he has no chance, so the best he thinks he's can do is jump in the hope it puts the opponent off.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:29 pm**

Watch the first goal back from Saturday.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:30 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:00 pm
E10quence wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm
He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.
I'm willing to be charitable and say he knows he has no chance, so the best he thinks he's can do is jump in the hope it puts the opponent off.

Much like Springett then

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:35 pm**

Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:00 pm
E10quence wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.
I'm willing to be charitable and say he knows he has no chance, so the best he thinks he's can do is jump in the hope it puts the opponent off.
Much like Springett then

I've not been hugely impressed by Springett this season so far, but he is more robust that Wellens.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:36 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:00 pm
E10quence wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 9:53 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 6:56 pm
He is physically completely out of his depth. He can't run, jump or compete in any way. Seeing him knock the ball past Alex Mitchell, not blessed with great pace, and then giving up on it because he knew he had no chance was infuriating. Equally so is seeing him jump for headers with absolutely no intention of getting near the ball, because he knows he can't get it.

I see him doing this all the time - pulling out of any challenge that is 50/50, jumping for balls but not even trying to actually head it - I don't know if he's scared of getting injured or what but he's so un-combative and un-physical - completely the opposite of what Richie says he wants from his players. Really weird.
I'm willing to be charitable and say he knows he has no chance, so the best he thinks he's can do is jump in the hope it puts the opponent off.

It’s definitely this and I have no problem with that. If you know you cant out jump someone, staying on the ground and pushing them off balance is perfectly valid.

But yeah, it’s pretty unedifying seeing him waddle around the pitch.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2026 11:00 pm**

Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:35 pm
Bandy Legs wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:30 pm
Red_Army wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2026 10:00 pm

I'm willing to be charitable and say he knows he has no chance, so the best he thinks he's can do is jump in the hope it puts the opponent off.
Much like Springett then
I've not been hugely impressed by Springett this season so far, but he is more robust that Wellens.

Wellens creates more !

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