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BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:39 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:22 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:14 pm

Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.

Correct and the youth of this country whose futures have been sold out by those who won’t be around much longer have every right to advocate for a course of action. After all, it concerns them more than us.

The youth have themselves to blame I’m afraid. Only 1 in 3 turned out to vote, the silly buggers.

There is that, but what is the more serious offence - laziness or causing economic catastrophe?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:41 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:39 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:22 pm

Correct and the youth of this country whose futures have been sold out by those who won’t be around much longer have every right to advocate for a course of action. After all, it concerns them more than us.

The youth have themselves to blame I’m afraid. Only 1 in 3 turned out to vote, the silly buggers.

There is that, but what is the more serious offence - laziness or causing economic catastrophe?

Yeah I know. The young need to stop blaming the oldies though. Hey-ho

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:41 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:29 am Makes me laugh, seeing all the extremists ( right wingers), trying to talk down the demos. In London alone there were over 120,000, plus most cities and many towns had their own demos.
Doubt if it will have much effect on Cummings though......he seems a right nasty bit of work, but it was a considerable prescents
The real work will be done in parliament this coming week, where hopefully a damaging no deal Brexit will be stopped in its tracks

For the good of the nation and the future of the people (which let’s face it, doesn’t include most on here), let’s hope so.

This coup has to be stopped and the plotters given revolutionary justice.

Takes me back to my childhood. A lesson from Wolfy Smith. Tooting Popular Front.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:31 am

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.

Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?

The sun got to you again over their fella?

Hundreds of thousands on the streets over 1,000,000 nationally Wow!

What about the majority, 17,000,000+ (more than 1,000,000 more than who voted to remain) who voted to leave in the first place. That's democracy. The country has voted , end of.

Or is it the case if you don't agree with the vote, vote again, and again until you get the result you want? Then it is OK

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:46 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:31 am

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.

Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?

The sun got to you again over their fella?

Hundreds of thousands on the streets over 1,000,000 nationally Wow!

What about the majority, 17,000,000+ (more than 1,000,000 more than who voted to remain) who voted to leave in the first place. That's democracy. The country has voted , end of.

Or is it the case if you don't agree with the vote, vote again, and again until you get the result you want? Then it is OK

Hey me old mucker - how have you been lately? When are we next meeting up for a pint?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:43 pm 03E707D5-DBD5-4173-9E3D-3442C324A070.jpeg

What a great series that was, on a par with One Foot in the Grave and Yes Prime Minister, not forgetting Till Death us do part.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:49 pm

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:46 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:31 am

Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?

The sun got to you again over their fella?

Hundreds of thousands on the streets over 1,000,000 nationally Wow!

What about the majority, 17,000,000+ (more than 1,000,000 more than who voted to remain) who voted to leave in the first place. That's democracy. The country has voted , end of.

Or is it the case if you don't agree with the vote, vote again, and again until you get the result you want? Then it is OK

Hey me old mucker - how have you been lately? When are we next meeting up for a pint?

very well thanks. Really fancy a pint once back from holiday, will be at Swindon game on Saturday, will you?

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:46 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:31 am

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.

Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?

The sun got to you again over their fella?

Hundreds of thousands on the streets over 1,000,000 nationally Wow!

What about the majority, 17,000,000+ (more than 1,000,000 more than who voted to remain) who voted to leave in the first place. That's democracy. The country has voted , end of.

Or is it the case if you don't agree with the vote, vote again, and again until you get the result you want? Then it is OK

Or the 59,000,000 that were not protesting?

I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, he has multiple faults in bucketloads, but at least he's showing some balls and leadership and is bringing this whole sorry saga to an end. Like it or not and the result was unexpected and unplanned but the masses voted to leave the EU. The Remainer's strategy has been to wear down and weary the proles over time so they'll go belly up and accept staying in the EU. And the UK was never a particularly willing member of Europe. Always having hissy fits over the amount you pay and apart from Scotland, getting f*** all out of it.

At least Boris is getting on with it and showing some leadership and that's what your country needs.

Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

This is an easy one Johnson put it on the side of a bus.
Just believe and the NHS gets it £350m a week.

StockholmO said:- "I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, he has multiple faults in bucketloads, but at least he's showing some balls and leadership and is bringing this whole sorry saga to an end. "

Yeah, I get what you mean. It's a bit like hanging yourself when you are broke, or your loved one leaves you! Nice!

StockholmO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:18 am I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, he has multiple faults in bucketloads, but ........

At least Boris is getting on with it and showing some leadership and that's what your country needs.

Now where have I seen that phrasing before, ah yes - "I'm no racist, but............"

As for the last part, what a load of bollox. Boris has had it handed to him on a plate. All he has to do is be himself - arrogant and ignorant. It's easy to just do sod all after laying down the gauntlet. That's not statesmanship. The guy is a silly sausage and a liar.

Look you must just believe and Johnson will deliver his deal
If you do not believe it will be your fault if we do no get a great deal
Believe in Johnson and we will be great again

Old Bloke wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:23 am Look you must just believe and Johnson will deliver his deal
If you do not believe it will be your fault if we do no get a great deal
Believe in Johnson and we will be great again

Sorry mate, I'm doing my best. I'll go and have a chat with the fairies at the bottom of the garden and see what they say.

Just got back. Tinkerbell said "don't trust the lying cnut". Good enough for me!

o-no wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:03 am Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

o-no wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:03 am Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I get that you're a leaver. We'll never agree over Brexit, but what Boris is doing now is totally undemocratic. He's shutting down Parliament to force a change through which otherwise might not succeed. Forget it's about Brexit for a moment and consider - if he has the power to do this now then why won't he use this process to force through anything he and his cronies want? Sell the NHS to the highest bidder - no problem. Roll up, roll up, it's the Sale of the Century........

Being allowed to close Parliament (and even applauded by some for doing so) is incredibly dangerous for all of us, leavers and remainers alike. How can you not understand that?

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

o-no wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:03 am Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I'm going to assume this comment is genuine and run with it. How can you honestly talk about democracy when Alexander de Pfeffel has just shut down Parliament so he can push through No deal Brexit? Do you not think that is slightly undemocratic?

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:20 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

o-no wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:03 am Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I get that you're a leaver. We'll never agree over Brexit, but what Boris is doing now is totally undemocratic. He's shutting down Parliament to force a change through which otherwise might not succeed. Forget it's about Brexit for a moment and consider - if he has the power to do this now then why won't he use this process to force through anything he and his cronies want? Sell the NHS to the highest bidder - no problem. Roll up, roll up, it's the Sale of the Century........

Being allowed to close Parliament (and even applauded by some for doing so) is incredibly dangerous for all of us, leavers and remainers alike. How can you not understand that?

John Major done the same thing for a longer period, did you protest then

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:20 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

o-no wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:03 am Showing leadership?

He's just hung the closed sign up on the door and is waiting for the clock to run down. He's literally not doing anything - not sure what kind of leadership that is.

Oh, and if anyone has any tangible economic benefits of leaving the EU, please feel free to list them here (or anywhere). Gibberish like "taking back control" doesn't count.

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I get that you're a leaver. We'll never agree over Brexit, but what Boris is doing now is totally undemocratic. He's shutting down Parliament to force a change through which otherwise might not succeed. Forget it's about Brexit for a moment and consider - if he has the power to do this now then why won't he use this process to force through anything he and his cronies want? Sell the NHS to the highest bidder - no problem. Roll up, roll up, it's the Sale of the Century........

Being allowed to close Parliament (and even applauded by some for doing so) is incredibly dangerous for all of us, leavers and remainers alike. How can you not understand that?

If you support democracy, then why arent you supporting us leaving the EU as Leave won convincingly? All Johnson is doing is getting Remoaner MPs to accept the original democratic vote of the people. Nothing more, nothing less. Next, you will be wanting our playoff final v. Rotherham to be replayed.

We Voted leave and leave we will!

#Brexit "Its going to be great".

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:24 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:20 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I get that you're a leaver. We'll never agree over Brexit, but what Boris is doing now is totally undemocratic. He's shutting down Parliament to force a change through which otherwise might not succeed. Forget it's about Brexit for a moment and consider - if he has the power to do this now then why won't he use this process to force through anything he and his cronies want? Sell the NHS to the highest bidder - no problem. Roll up, roll up, it's the Sale of the Century........

Being allowed to close Parliament (and even applauded by some for doing so) is incredibly dangerous for all of us, leavers and remainers alike. How can you not understand that?

If you support democracy, then why arent you supporting us leaving the EU as Leave won convincingly? All Johnson is doing is getting Remoaner MPs to accept the original democratic vote of the people. Nothing more, nothing less. Next, you will be wanting our playoff final v. Rotherham to be replayed.

Your definition of 'convincingly' might need working on.

He's not getting the Remoaner MPs to accept anything. He's excluding them from the process. Whatever you think of brexit, that's obviously not democratic.

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:21 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:20 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:48 am

Have you ever heard of democracy and sovereignty or are you just an anti-democratic remoaner?

I get that you're a leaver. We'll never agree over Brexit, but what Boris is doing now is totally undemocratic. He's shutting down Parliament to force a change through which otherwise might not succeed. Forget it's about Brexit for a moment and consider - if he has the power to do this now then why won't he use this process to force through anything he and his cronies want? Sell the NHS to the highest bidder - no problem. Roll up, roll up, it's the Sale of the Century........

Being allowed to close Parliament (and even applauded by some for doing so) is incredibly dangerous for all of us, leavers and remainers alike. How can you not understand that?

John Major done the same thing for a longer period, did you protest then

Not true - The Queen has approved an order to suspend parliament “no earlier than Monday 9 September and no later than Thursday 12 September” until 14 October. That means prorogation could last up to 34 days.(source C4 fact check). In addition to which in that case it was to avoid awkward cash-for-questions questions. I think most people would see the current Brexit situation as probably a little more important than that.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:55 am

StockholmO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:18 am I'm no fan of Boris Johnson, he has multiple faults in bucketloads, but ........

At least Boris is getting on with it and showing some leadership and that's what your country needs.

Now where have I seen that phrasing before, ah yes - "I'm no racist, but............"

As for the last part, what a load of bollox. Boris has had it handed to him on a plate. All he has to do is be himself - arrogant and ignorant. It's easy to just do sod all after laying down the gauntlet. That's not statesmanship. The guy is a silly sausage and a liar.

I do hope you are not calling me a racist, I guess you are using inflammaTORY language to make a point which I kinda understand but it's not very helpful and you are hardly likely to endure yourself to people looking inside your Goldfish bowl without the looking at the big picture. 2/10.

Welcome Uk to the mad world of Euro Politics, in voting to leave the EU you have become every bit as batshit crazy guys as the rest of us and especially Norway!