Independent Leyton Orient Forum

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:56 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:26 pm
I think you need to study history and find other people who were supported by parts of the Jewish community. Let me say from the outset that in no way am I comparing the people concerned then, with now, just the strange support.

I don't know what you're saying? Please elaborate.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:55 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:29 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:26 pm

So what you are saying is he is no leader, as he fails to show leadership qualities and does not lead with conviction.

If so, I make you right. I also make Labour unelectable whilst he remains in charge.

Absolutely agree

When will you be dealing with the FACT I posted? Which clearly demonstrated that antisemitism is NOT rife in the Labour Party. The real ones are in the Tory and Brexit Parties and Nazi organisations.

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:13 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:23 pm

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:26 am Heh. You don’t want to go there because you couldn’t justify what you were claiming. Go read it again - only 10 or pages back.

Not so. I looked at the definitions of the words used and like many things it’s down to interpretation. Therefore agreement was never going to be reached. I find it interesting that someone else chose to use the same word. But this debate is a dead duck.

Relentless.

You're intellectually the equivalent of 23-24 Leinster Gardens - a fake facade with nothing behind (go look it up). Be a man and admit you were wrong. I bet you still think anti-semitism is rife in the labour party - not because you've any real evidence to support it, but because you've read it somewhere in the main stream media. I bet you secretly think Boris is quite good because he's showing "leadership" right now - you're his dream voter pal.

What a sad man you are.

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:13 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:23 pm

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:26 am Heh. You don’t want to go there because you couldn’t justify what you were claiming. Go read it again - only 10 or pages back.

Not so. I looked at the definitions of the words used and like many things it’s down to interpretation. Therefore agreement was never going to be reached. I find it interesting that someone else chose to use the same word. But this debate is a dead duck.

Relentless.

You're intellectually the equivalent of 23-24 Leinster Gardens - a fake facade with nothing behind (go look it up). Be a man and admit you were wrong. I bet you still think anti-semitism is rife in the labour party - not because you've any real evidence to support it, but because you've read it somewhere in the main stream media. I bet you secretly think Boris is quite good because he's showing "leadership" right now - you're his dream voter pal.

What a sad man you are.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:48 pm I'll get my popcorn ready.....

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:40 pm

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:13 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:23 pm

Not so. I looked at the definitions of the words used and like many things it’s down to interpretation. Therefore agreement was never going to be reached. I find it interesting that someone else chose to use the same word. But this debate is a dead duck.

Relentless.

You're intellectually the equivalent of 23-24 Leinster Gardens - a fake facade with nothing behind (go look it up). Be a man and admit you were wrong. I bet you still think anti-semitism is rife in the labour party - not because you've any real evidence to support it, but because you've read it somewhere in the main stream media. I bet you secretly think Boris is quite good because he's showing "leadership" right now - you're his dream voter pal.

What a sad man you are.

It is a real problem when people ain’t man enough or intelligent enough to accept different people have different opinions. It is sad when some then resort to insults. Now that is sad. My advice to you is go away and grow up.

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:22 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:18 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:04 am

Looks like some others have been investigating this problem too

A recent investigation by a left-wing Jewish group severely undermines Ellman’s claim to be the victim of anti-Jewish racism in the party.

On the contrary, in a statement released on Thursday, Jewish Voice for Labour said their report shows evidence of Jews in Ellman’s constituency “facing harassment because they oppose her unquestioning pro-Israel stance,” as well as “her attempt to cut British aid for Palestinians schools; and her open hostility to Corbyn.”

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Hmm that settles the issue once and for all. A body calling its self in its name as being ..."FOR LABOUR" is clearly an impartial source and we can rely on thie report as being 100% impartial

So you think that these Jewish people with Jewish Voice for Labour would turn a blind eye to anti-Semitism? That's a very serious accussation.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:11 pm Something seems to be wrong with the board as Doh's response to FTC's inherently sensible and reasonable post appears to be missing. What's up?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:11 pm Something seems to be wrong with the board as Doh's response to FTC's inherently sensible and reasonable post appears to be missing. What's up?

Just ban him. He's a waste of space.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:11 pm Something seems to be wrong with the board as Doh's response to FTC's inherently sensible and reasonable post appears to be missing. What's up?

Just ban him. He's a waste of space.

As are you with your faux Caledonian outrage and your bizarre attitude towards Jewish Labour MPs.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:03 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:22 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:18 pm


Hmm that settles the issue once and for all. A body calling its self in its name as being ..."FOR LABOUR" is clearly an impartial source and we can rely on thie report as being 100% impartial

So you think that these Jewish people with Jewish Voice for Labour would turn a blind eye to anti-Semitism? That's a very serious accussation.

The saddest thing of all in that JVL report is that we actually have a situation where a Jewish woman is being accused of anti-semitism by another Jewish person. The absurdity of it is beyond belief.

But what it actually demonstrates is that it is a simple political fight between socialists and so called progressive centerists over the role of the current Israeli government in murdering and oppressing Palestinians.

The socialists see the inhumanity of a right wing government. The centerists choose to support it and don't care who gets caught in the crossfire.

Meanwhile the real Anti-Semites and Nazis organise and violence against the Jewish Community escalates.

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:40 pm

admin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:13 pm

Relentless.

You're intellectually the equivalent of 23-24 Leinster Gardens - a fake facade with nothing behind (go look it up). Be a man and admit you were wrong. I bet you still think anti-semitism is rife in the labour party - not because you've any real evidence to support it, but because you've read it somewhere in the main stream media. I bet you secretly think Boris is quite good because he's showing "leadership" right now - you're his dream voter pal.

What a sad man you are.

It is a real problem when people ain’t man enough or intelligent enough to accept different people have different opinions. It is sad when some then resort to insults. Now that is sad. My advice to you is go away and grow up.

Nothing to do with opinions which is why I won’t let you off the hook and am happy to keep exposing you for what you are, which is someone who ain’t man enough to admit claiming something you couldn’t provide supporting evidence for.

Everyone’s free to read our previous exchange and reach their own conclusion. I’m just honestly tired though of people like you making claims such as “anti semitism is rife within the Labour Party” when it’s patently untrue and a claim you can’t support.

And before you bleat about me being a Corbyn fan etc, re read my previous posts on this subject. He is not beyond criticism and deserves all the scrutiny he receives. It’s the average Labour Party member I’ll defend against your nonsense.

Likewise, I’d ask for the same proof if someone claimed the Tory party membership was inherently racist. Easy claim to make, but I wouldn’t make it without being able to support it.

Hope this helps you understand my point.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:26 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Just ban him. He's a waste of space.

As are you with your faux Caledonian outrage and your bizarre attitude towards Jewish Labour MPs.

Que?

I'm not sure what the question is but I do know it sounds a bit racist.

Read my posts before acting like a complete tit.

slacker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:29 am The trouble is this nonsense anti-semitism mud sticks very effectively, so it will keep getting chucked around. Once Team Corbyn’s gone and loosened their grip on Labour again I imagine it will miraculously cease being an issue of interest to anyone but the Palestine/Israel obsessives.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:18 am

slacker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:29 am The trouble is this nonsense anti-semitism mud sticks very effectively, so it will keep getting chucked around. Once Team Corbyn’s gone and loosened their grip on Labour again I imagine it will miraculously cease being an issue of interest to anyone but the Palestine/Israel obsessives.

Anti-semitism nonsense? OK. But Agree, it sticks and will continue to do so until such times as effective action is taken to reduce it.

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:55 am You’ve missed the point. He’s saying it’s nonsense. If someone more willing to turn a blind eye to Israel’s foreign policy takes control of the Labour Party, the accusations will magically disappear.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:15 pm He's an out of touch idiot. Don't see many people claiming otherwise.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:15 pm He's an out of touch idiot. Don't see many people claiming otherwise.