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But who are they?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:56 pm But who are they?

Well known conservative leaning think tanks who have given to the Tories for years I’d guess

But who funds the think tanks? Is it anybody we know?

That’s their private business

Im unsure of the point you’re trying to make?

That only individuals should be able to give to political parties?

That organisations who give to political parties should publish lists of their donors/members and all their personal details?

Neither?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:18 pm But who funds the think tanks? Is it anybody we know?

Rich people who think the tories will make them richer & the poor poorer

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:23 pm That’s their private business

Im unsure of the point you’re trying to make?

That only individuals should be able to give to political parties?

That organisations who give to political parties should publish lists of their donors/members and all their personal details?

Neither?

It's not their private business if the are seeking to benefit from government largesse should their favoured party win.

Its also important to prevent foreign nations attempting to subvert or influence UK democracy

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:07 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:23 pm That’s their private business

Im unsure of the point you’re trying to make?

That only individuals should be able to give to political parties?

That organisations who give to political parties should publish lists of their donors/members and all their personal details?

Neither?

It's not their private business if the are seeking to benefit from government largesse should their favoured party win.

Its also important to prevent foreign nations attempting to subvert or influence UK democracy

Right, so your point is what should be done RE: donations?

Because I’m continuing to fail to see it

Is that because you are playing at being thick?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:35 pm Is that because you are playing at being thick?

No

You haven’t proposed anything and just said why you're against the current system….. For certain think tanks

I’d love to hear what you actually think should replace it… genuinely

See above

That’s not a policy and is incoherent/illiterate to say the least

I assume you were just sharing a tweet you thought was good and didn’t actually put any thought into it again?

I’m starting to realise you’re not playing at being thick

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:48 pm That’s not a policy and is incoherent/illiterate to say the least

I assume you were just sharing a tweet you thought was good and didn’t actually put any thought into it again?

Breaking news. It wasn't intended to be a policy just two reasons why donors should not be allowed to remain anonymous. But you don't seem to think that is a concern for a democratic country. Fine.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:05 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:48 pm That’s not a policy and is incoherent/illiterate to say the least

I assume you were just sharing a tweet you thought was good and didn’t actually put any thought into it again?

Breaking news. It wasn't intended to be a policy just two reasons why donors should not be allowed to remain anonymous. But you don't seem to think that is a concern for a democratic country. Fine.

Oh but I do, I just want to know how to solve it when think tanks and unions with thousands of members contribute to political parties? And how do we achieve transparency then?

And unfortunately shaking a fist and moaning on here at the ones you don’t like isn’t going to work

Sadly, it appears you were just sharing a tweet again without much thought. It was a bloke trying to fund raise for his fringe site. If you actually want to engage in any serious discussions on campaign finance though I’m happy to engage.

What Unions? The Tories destroyed them & they're trying to do the same to the country

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:16 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:05 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:48 pm That’s not a policy and is incoherent/illiterate to say the least

I assume you were just sharing a tweet you thought was good and didn’t actually put any thought into it again?

Breaking news. It wasn't intended to be a policy just two reasons why donors should not be allowed to remain anonymous. But you don't seem to think that is a concern for a democratic country. Fine.

Oh but I do, I just want to know how to solve it when think tanks and unions with thousands of members contribute to political parties? And how do we achieve transparency then?

And unfortunately shaking a fist and moaning on here at the ones you don’t like isn’t going to work

Sadly, it appears you were just sharing a tweet again without much thought. It was a bloke trying to fund raise for his fringe site. If you actually want to engage in any serious discussions on campaign finance though I’m happy to engage.

Why drag unions into it. Probably one of the most democratic institutions in the country who publish accounts that disclose political donations. So nothing to wet the bed about there.

I'm more worried about the think tank contributions to the Tories who refuse to disclose where their money comes from.

There are rules around disclosure of the source of donations for political parties but if I'm a govt PPE contract winner or a foreign despot I could donate to the think tank, who then give it to the Tories and nobody would know what I got in return.

And the solution is? Most parties benefit from donations from think tanks and similar institutions

Shaking your fist at it won’t work.

What should be done?

Pictures of a dirty, rotten rat in the process of leaving the sinking ship

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:49 pm And the solution is? Most parties benefit from donations from think tanks and similar institutions

Shaking your fist at it won’t work.

What should be done?

Er - let me think, oh, I've got now. Enact legislation that ensures all donations to think tanks are disclosed and are fully transparent.

If those donations go back to a chain of LLPs or shell companies etc. Extend the money laundering rules to catch them and ban the think tanks donating to political parties. If its all above board no one has anything to worry about.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:37 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:18 pm But who funds the think tanks? Is it anybody we know?

Rich people who think the tories will make them richer & the poor poorer

So what? It’s their private business.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:16 pm
Oh but I do, I just want to know how to solve it when think tanks and unions with thousands of members contribute to political parties? And how do we achieve transparency then?

Linking Unions into this is brilliant.

Thanks mate

Was the only way I’d get Max off the fence

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:18 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:37 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:18 pm But who funds the think tanks? Is it anybody we know?

Rich people who think the tories will make them richer & the poor poorer

So what? It’s their private business.

Stick to formations at least with that you only sound like half an Idiot

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:18 pm But who funds the think tanks? Is it anybody we know?

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:42 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:18 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:37 pm

Rich people who think the tories will make them richer & the poor poorer

So what? It’s their private business.

Stick to formations at least with that you only sound like half an Idiot

But it was.... oh, don't worry, yes, I'll stick to formations. Nice one.