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Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

What is Racist about what was Said ?

George wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:47 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

See my posts from weeks ago on this. It was obvious and flights from India should have been stopped weeks ago. All of the freedoms we have earned look like being taken back from us.
Other boarders were too keen on pulling my post apart rather than taking note of my concerns at the time.

I told you back then
You can only blame Bodge & His government for allowing it .

Nobody else is to blame for this !

Agreed Tuffers. It took until last week for WHO to recognise that the Indian variant was a variant of concern , despite scientists saying so since mid March. Staggering incompetence

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

Ridiculous response. Where are the shouters criticising irresponsible Indians for travelling during lockdown, particularly knowing the state of the virus in India. Many complained that they were not given enough notice to return before being red listed. The fact is that they should not have traveled there in the first place and now we will suffer the consequences

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:32 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

What is Racist about what was Said ?

Nothing. But it doesn’t normally stop certain people making accusations. Remember the post when the rates were high in Redbridge?

George wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:38 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

Ridiculous response. Where are the shouters criticising irresponsible Indians for travelling during lockdown, particularly knowing the state of the virus in India. Many complained that they were not given enough notice to return before being red listed. The fact is that they should not have traveled there in the first place and now we will suffer the consequences

I’m with you. 100%.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:37 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:32 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Where are the racist shouters?

What is Racist about what was Said ?

Nothing. But it doesn’t normally stop certain people making accusations. Remember the post when the rates were high in Redbridge?

Whats an Indian variant and making a baseless claim that rates were high in Redbridge because of the brown people living there, got to do with each other?

Can understand that you're a bit of a snowflake when called out, but even you should be able to tell the difference.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

Let's try and get this straight. You get irritated when people call out racism but now you're getting irritated because they're not calling out racism because it isn't there. You're a bit confused aren't you.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:41 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:37 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:32 am

What is Racist about what was Said ?

Nothing. But it doesn’t normally stop certain people making accusations. Remember the post when the rates were high in Redbridge?

Whats an Indian variant and making a baseless claim that rates were high in Redbridge because of the brown people living there, got to do with each other?

Can understand that you're a bit of a snowflake when called out, but even you should be able to tell the difference.

Here we go. It wasn’t a baseless claim. Redbridge had one off the highest rates in London and the ‘worst’ area in Redbridge was around Ilford Lane. Who mainly make up the population around Ilford Lane? No different to highlighting the area where the current Indian variant are at their highest.

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:16 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:19 pm

Clive Evans wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:21 pm What is not being said, except discretely, is that these spikes are occurring in areas with high Asian population. Where people have been reluctant to get vaccinated. Lots of people have come back from India in rush. Prevalent amongst youngsters. God knows how they managed to justify their trips to India while we were in lockdown. Government was far too slow to restrict entry from India.

Where are the racist shouters?

Let's try and get this straight. You get irritated when people call out racism but now you're getting irritated because they're not calling out racism because it isn't there. You're a bit confused aren't you.

It’s not being confused but highlighting the inconsistency and like you say calling out racism that isn’t there.

I think I'll give up at this point.......

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:17 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:41 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:37 am

Nothing. But it doesn’t normally stop certain people making accusations. Remember the post when the rates were high in Redbridge?

Whats an Indian variant and making a baseless claim that rates were high in Redbridge because of the brown people living there, got to do with each other?

Can understand that you're a bit of a snowflake when called out, but even you should be able to tell the difference.

Here we go. It wasn’t a baseless claim. Redbridge had one off the highest rates in London and the ‘worst’ area in Redbridge was around Ilford Lane. Who mainly make up the population around Ilford Lane? No different to highlighting the area where the current Indian variant are at their highest.

Here we go indeed.

so baseless, unless we are counting your hypothesise as fact?

Interestingly, Redbridge infection rates have gone down -21.8% in the last week or so.

I’m sure ornchurch was just as vocal about the Kent variant.

There are a lot of points around these latest spikes. Some concern the Asian community. Some don't. Firstly the Indian variety seems to spread much more easily, that much is obvious. Another point I have heard by serious people ( ie scientists ), is that track and trace doesn't work especially with this variant and also with the Asian community. It spreads so quickly, that by the time contacts have been traced, it has already spread. The Asians tend to live in multi-generational units, so schoolkids spread to elders etc. Lots work in the grottier jobs Mc D's , transport etc. So if infected and not all that ill, why are they gonna stay home with no pay? Then throw into the mix, some vaccination resistance. With all the feedback they get fed from relatives and friends in India, I bet there has been a better take-up of vaccination in the UK now. But going by my own test results, it can take 3-4 weeks after first jab to get anti-bodies.
It was criminal the way the Government was slow out of the blocks, stopping people coming in from India. Some rumours I hear, mean there are ways and means to get around bans. Consytanza, on here, said how easy it is to get from Ireland to UK via the 6 Counties. I await to see more info on how the jab stops the Indian variety. My instincts tell me it is quite effective. My main point, is that Government and Officials should learn from the child abuse scandal. Where race is an issue, take the bull by the horns and tackle the issue. Bloody Hell there are loads of Indians in the Medical Professions, they are the ones that can tackle the issues with proper sensitivities. Everyone has got responsibilities- white twats seem to be the worse offenders for non-mask wearing ( some of my friends included )

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:42 am I’m sure ornchurch was just as vocal about the Kent variant.

Umm Kent. Is that opposite France by any chance ?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:40 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:17 am

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:41 am

Whats an Indian variant and making a baseless claim that rates were high in Redbridge because of the brown people living there, got to do with each other?

Can understand that you're a bit of a snowflake when called out, but even you should be able to tell the difference.

Here we go. It wasn’t a baseless claim. Redbridge had one off the highest rates in London and the ‘worst’ area in Redbridge was around Ilford Lane. Who mainly make up the population around Ilford Lane? No different to highlighting the area where the current Indian variant are at their highest.

Here we go indeed.

so baseless, unless we are counting your hypothesise as fact?

Interestingly, Redbridge infection rates have gone down -21.8% in the last week or so.

It wasn’t hypothesis but fact at the time.
I’m glad that they have gone down now but this was about 8 months ago.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:01 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:42 am I’m sure ornchurch was just as vocal about the Kent variant.

Umm Kent. Is that opposite France by any chance ?

Relentless.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:07 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:01 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:42 am I’m sure ornchurch was just as vocal about the Kent variant.

Umm Kent. Is that opposite France by any chance ?

Relentless.

But not wrong.

Interested to know why you think the proximity to France matters?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:40 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:17 am

Here we go. It wasn’t a baseless claim. Redbridge had one off the highest rates in London and the ‘worst’ area in Redbridge was around Ilford Lane. Who mainly make up the population around Ilford Lane? No different to highlighting the area where the current Indian variant are at their highest.

Here we go indeed.

so baseless, unless we are counting your hypothesise as fact?

Interestingly, Redbridge infection rates have gone down -21.8% in the last week or so.

It wasn’t hypothesis but fact at the time.
I’m glad that they have gone down now but this was about 8 months ago.

Looking forward to you providing the facts to why there was a rise in Redbridge

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:16 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 11:40 am

Here we go indeed.

so baseless, unless we are counting your hypothesise as fact?

Interestingly, Redbridge infection rates have gone down -21.8% in the last week or so.

It wasn’t hypothesis but fact at the time.
I’m glad that they have gone down now but this was about 8 months ago.

Looking forward to you providing the facts to why there was a rise in Redbridge

I’m more looking forward to you proving that I am wrong.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:22 pm Interested to know why you think the proximity to France matters?

Ask Hotdogs. He gets it.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:26 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:16 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:04 pm

It wasn’t hypothesis but fact at the time.
I’m glad that they have gone down now but this was about 8 months ago.

Looking forward to you providing the facts to why there was a rise in Redbridge

I’m more looking forward to you proving that I am wrong.

Ahhh, so you haven't got any? It's just baseless claims? coolcoolcool.

Must say, that IS a surprise.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:28 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:22 pm Interested to know why you think the proximity to France matters?

Ask Hotdogs. He gets it.

It’s the 10,000 brown foreigns turning up on our shores every day what caused the Kent variant, is what I think he’s suggesting.