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Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:33 pm**

Can we not just tell MBGold that the guy was a TERF, so that he can just accept that the guy deserved all he got?

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:38 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:10 pm
George M wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:06 pm He was only unarmed because he had to quickly dispose of his usual means of killing after he shot the club goer and fellow gang member.
You just made that up. Didn't you?

I can see no evidence of a conviction for the alleged shooting of a club goer and fellow gang member. So I suppose he was innocent until proven guilty.

Much in the same way that the cop was guilty until being ridiculously proven innocent. We all know he did it. Presumably he's no longer on the guns crew.

The chutzpah to call the verdict of a jury who'll have known the evidence of this case inside out 'ridiculous'.

Possibly the worst part about the way in which campaigners have tried to make this the UK equivalent George Floyd is that it'll undermine the impact of future, actually legitimate examples of state violence being disproportionately used on non white citizens. They couldn't have chosen a worse poster boy for it, both in his character and the actual specifics of what happened.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:53 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:04 pm It's not as if the police just shot him in the head while he was stood around minding his own business.

The footage shows that he was using a 2.1 ton car as a weapon against armed police who had very good reasons to stop the vehicle and apprehend him. But rather than comply, he decided to aim his car at other vehicles and the police stood nearby. When armed police are telling you to stop and you not only refuse, but act in a way that could endanger them and the public, getting shot is a very possible consequence of your actions.

As for the headshot, the graphics and bodycam footage show that, due to the angle, once a shot was fired it was very likely going to hit him in the head. Trying to hit any other part of his body was unrealistic. Kaba made his decision, so did the armed officer, and now society will somehow have to struggle on without Kaba's valued contribution.
They shot an unarmed suspect in the head at close range. Was there really no other alternative to a street execution?
Also, is it really accurate to describe him as unarmed? That implies he did not have a weapon in his possession. You could argue that the way he was aggressively driving the Audi meant that his car was a weapon of sorts.

I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:44 pm**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:38 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:10 pm
George M wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:06 pm He was only unarmed because he had to quickly dispose of his usual means of killing after he shot the club goer and fellow gang member.
You just made that up. Didn't you?

I can see no evidence of a conviction for the alleged shooting of a club goer and fellow gang member. So I suppose he was innocent until proven guilty.

Much in the same way that the cop was guilty until being ridiculously proven innocent. We all know he did it. Presumably he's no longer on the guns crew.
The chutzpah to call the verdict of a jury who'll have known the evidence of this case inside out 'ridiculous'.

Possibly the worst part about the way in which campaigners have tried to make this the UK equivalent George Floyd is that it'll undermine the impact of future, actually legitimate examples of state violence being disproportionately used on non white citizens. They couldn't have chosen a worse poster boy for it, both in his character and the actual specifics of what happened.

It's not about poster boys and your shallow optics. It's the principle that, yet again, a black man is executed in his car on a busy street.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:46 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:33 pm Can we not just tell MBGold that the guy was a TERF, so that he can just accept that the guy deserved all he got?

Did he deserve it? Even the nastiest of TERFS doesn't deserve to be shot in the head. In the willy yes but never the head.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:48 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:10 pm
George M wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:06 pm He was only unarmed because he had to quickly dispose of his usual means of killing after he shot the club goer and fellow gang member.
You just made that up. Didn't you?

I can see no evidence of a conviction for the alleged shooting of a club goer and fellow gang member. So I suppose he was innocent until proven guilty.

Much in the same way that the cop was guilty until being ridiculously proven innocent. We all know he did it. Presumably he's no longer on the guns crew.

He was killed before his arrest for those shootings

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:49 pm**

So like I said he's innocent.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:51 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:53 pm

They shot an unarmed suspect in the head at close range. Was there really no other alternative to a street execution?
Also, is it really accurate to describe him as unarmed? That implies he did not have a weapon in his possession. You could argue that the way he was aggressively driving the Audi meant that his car was a weapon of sorts.
I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.

But those drivers are not known gang members who are being stopped for shooting offences in the previous days.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:51 pm**

Can someone who is good at arty stuff, mock up an image in the style of a George Floyd-esque mural of Kaba draped in a Palestinian/Trans half'n'half scarf and with a bullet hole in his forehead? Possibly ascending into the heavens to join Geronimo, The Queen, Harambe, Diana, Captain Tom etc?

I need it for a placard for my trip into London this weekend. Ta.

#NoJusticeNoPeace

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:53 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:53 pm

They shot an unarmed suspect in the head at close range. Was there really no other alternative to a street execution?
Also, is it really accurate to describe him as unarmed? That implies he did not have a weapon in his possession. You could argue that the way he was aggressively driving the Audi meant that his car was a weapon of sorts.
I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.

So, we're agreed that he was armed.

As for "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops", it's about time they upped their game.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:53 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:49 pm So like I said he's innocent.

You can’t know that. Those allegations have been made public after the police trial.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:54 pm**

George M wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:51 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm

Also, is it really accurate to describe him as unarmed? That implies he did not have a weapon in his possession. You could argue that the way he was aggressively driving the Audi meant that his car was a weapon of sorts.
I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.
But those drivers are not known gang members who are being stopped for shooting offences in the previous days.

You sure about that. The cops in collusion with the billionaire owned press have form for making stuff like that up.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:56 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:44 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:38 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:10 pm

You just made that up. Didn't you?

I can see no evidence of a conviction for the alleged shooting of a club goer and fellow gang member. So I suppose he was innocent until proven guilty.

Much in the same way that the cop was guilty until being ridiculously proven innocent. We all know he did it. Presumably he's no longer on the guns crew.
The chutzpah to call the verdict of a jury who'll have known the evidence of this case inside out 'ridiculous'.

Possibly the worst part about the way in which campaigners have tried to make this the UK equivalent George Floyd is that it'll undermine the impact of future, actually legitimate examples of state violence being disproportionately used on non white citizens. They couldn't have chosen a worse poster boy for it, both in his character and the actual specifics of what happened.
It's not about poster boys and your shallow optics. It's the principle that, yet again, a black man is executed in his car on a busy street.

If it wasn't about the optics, there was no way this would have even been brought to trial. Anyone who watches the 20 second clip of the man trying to bulldoze his way through a blockade in a car linked to a known firearms crime would know there was never going to be a guilty verdict.

There are so many instances of the met being f*cked and racist, baffling to me that this is the one that has gotten the most public profile.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:01 pm**

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:53 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm

Also, is it really accurate to describe him as unarmed? That implies he did not have a weapon in his possession. You could argue that the way he was aggressively driving the Audi meant that his car was a weapon of sorts.
I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.
So, we're agreed that he was armed.

As for "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops", it's about time they upped their game.

I haven't agreed he was armed in the normal meaning of the word. The video I saw shows he was pretty much boxed in with nowhere to go.

In S1, E7 of Traffic Cops a similar situation was resolved by a cop diving over his bonnet, smashing the suspects passenger window with a weapon whilst colleagues cover him with a taser.

The suspect is then dragged out of the car by 4 burly angry Cops and had excessive force used on him to detain him. Nobody was executed on the spot at point blank range.

Mind you that was a white suspect and it was up North. If you want killers on the streets of London that's your democratic right.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:07 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:01 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:53 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 pm

I've watched "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops" they have yet to show an episode where dangerous drivers get shot in the head by an angry cop.
So, we're agreed that he was armed.

As for "Catching Britain's Speeders" and "Traffic Cops", it's about time they upped their game.
I haven't agreed he was armed in the normal meaning of the word. The video I saw shows he was pretty much boxed in with nowhere to go.

In S1, E7 of Traffic Cops a somilar situation was resolved by a cop diving over his bonnet, smashing the suspects passenger window with a weapon whilst colleagues cover him with a taser.

The suspect is then dragged out of the car by 4 burly angry Cops and had excessive force used on him to detain him. Nobody was executed on the spot at point blank range.

Mind you that was a white suspect and it was up North. If you want killers on the streets of London that's your democratic right.

You're conveniently omitting the fact that the police knew that this car was involved in a firearms incident the previous day. This would have been a crucial piece of information that the officers would have factored into their risk assessment and decision making. Instead, you're displaying your own prejudice by attempting to imply that racial profiling was the reason behind the police officer's decision to pull that trigger.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:09 pm**

Only because it usually is.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:11 pm**

Given more time , Kaba perhaps would have been a killer. The outcome for all concerned is far from ideal. Perhaps he could have been given more time to cement his claim as a top gang member. It’s a sad affair but soon forgotten and I doubt he will be missed. I am sure another family member can step up to the plate

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:42 pm**

Genuinely baffling that some people have chosen to die on this hill.
I assumed MB Gold was on a wind up.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:44 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:42 pm Genuinely baffling that some people have chosen to die on this hill.
I assumed MB Gold was on a wind up.

I win

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:49 pm**

Choosing bad hills to die on seems to have become a speciality of the UK left. They've only just started climbing down off the last bad hill.

I was about to suggest that they hadn't learnt from the experience but, whilst not wanting to speak too soon, there does seem to be a growing silence from them over this incident. I don't think I've even seen the Novara lot wading in either.

Maybe some of them are beginning to think that, if they were so wrong about the last hill, what other hills may they be wrong about too. Or not.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:51 pm**

If your aim is indeed to parody an indefensible position that in nonetheless characteristic of the crankier left, thus undermining the left, then by that metric, you win every day.
It’s just that I would have thought that that’s the sort of thing that a righty might choose to do for fun.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:53 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:42 pm Genuinely baffling that some people have chosen to die on this hill.
I assumed MB Gold was on a wind up.

I only got involved because crickets over for the day

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:55 pm**

You’ll hear crickets again as soon as you make a point Maxxy can’t counter

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:02 pm**

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:55 pm You’ll hear crickets again as soon as you make a point Maxxy can’t counter

There is no point I can't counter.

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:03 pm**

Sorry, I forgot to add “convincingly”

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