Independent Leyton Orient Forum

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:18 am

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:26 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:00 pm Other 'fans' are getting the same thing for less than half the price, it's relevant.

No.

Season ticket holders are getting the home game streams for free. As they agreed to.

As a non season card holder i will have to pay individulally for games,
However if by some miracle this b*st*rd virus f*cks off early , I'll have very little
Chance of being allowed back in before a season card holder &
Quite frankly why the hell should I ...

NO chance. The only way people will be going back to football grounds is when everyone can (IE when there is a vaccine or enough good treatments around to make it safe to do so). Priority season tickets won't come into it then. All this partial opening of grounds and letting % of crowds in is pure poppycock.

I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

How have you been penalised, you absolute twaghead?


You paid your £300 or whatever fully knowing that if grounds couldn’t reopen, you wouldn’t get a refund. You literally agreed to it.

Don’t start moaning at the club because you incorrectly guessed we would be allowed back in some time this year.

The free stream given out as some form of minor compensation is totally irrelevant in all of this.

If a long term fan went into the O’s Admin and asked for a £300 hand out, as they had fallen on hard times, does anyone think it would be ‘rubber stamped?’

I voted no before I had watched the q and a. Redo is quite right in pointing out we knew what we signed up to and agreed to, it’s not like Danny pointed a gun at our heads and said sign here now is it?

I previously commented that some would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford that verses the watch the stream fee. I do feel for those people, I really do.

My personal take on it was and I’ve said it on here before, we nearly never had a club, I’m backing these owners as they’ve backed my club with cold hard cash. Watch the q and a and tell me they don’t care, in fact any of the q and a’s and listen to their passion. These people will win, they are winners and they will get us back to where we were and I do passionately believe back to the championship.

So I’m backing the club and I’m backing the owners.

Up the O’s.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:06 am I voted no before I had watched the q and a. Redo is quite right in pointing out we knew what we signed up to and agreed to, it’s not like Danny pointed a gun at our heads and said sign here now is it?

I previously commented that some would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford that verses the watch the stream fee. I do feel for those people, I really do.

My personal take on it was and I’ve said it on here before, we nearly never had a club, I’m backing these owners as they’ve backed my club with cold hard cash. Watch the q and a and tell me they don’t care, in fact any of the q and a’s and listen to their passion. These people will win, they are winners and they will get us back to where we were and I do passionately believe back to the championship.

So I’m backing the club and I’m backing the owners.

Up the O’s.

100% this.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:19 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

How have you been penalised, you absolute twaghead?


You paid your £300 or whatever fully knowing that if grounds couldn’t reopen, you wouldn’t get a refund. You literally agreed to it.

Don’t start moaning at the club because you incorrectly guessed we would be allowed back in some time this year.

The free stream given out as some form of minor compensation is totally irrelevant in all of this.

Can you not read I've explained why, i don't think i should be charged more for signing up for a season ticket than those who haven't. is that plain enough for you.

Or do you need lessons in literacy?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:33 am

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:06 am I voted no before I had watched the q and a. Redo is quite right in pointing out we knew what we signed up to and agreed to, it’s not like Danny pointed a gun at our heads and said sign here now is it?

I previously commented that some would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford that verses the watch the stream fee. I do feel for those people, I really do.

My personal take on it was and I’ve said it on here before, we nearly never had a club, I’m backing these owners as they’ve backed my club with cold hard cash. Watch the q and a and tell me they don’t care, in fact any of the q and a’s and listen to their passion. These people will win, they are winners and they will get us back to where we were and I do passionately believe back to the championship.

So I’m backing the club and I’m backing the owners.

Up the O’s.

100% this.

So you both believe he should insult people?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

Yes i didn't ask for a refund.

I'm not expecting to be in the ground this side of xmas.

However if i'd known I'd be paying more for getting a season ticket with streaming access rather than someone whose just paying for Streaming the games I wouldn't have signed up.

No he shouldn’t have called you that and I was not commenting on that, but his point is correct in that it was clear what we were signing up for. My wife even said to me you do realise what you’re doing, I said yes please carry on.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:47 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

However if i'd known I'd be paying more for getting a season ticket with streaming access rather than someone whose just paying for Streaming the games I wouldn't have signed up.

Redo was one of the people who called me out when I said some people would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford to be in that position. I didn’t think it was fair on them now being informed that streaming would be cheaper. Not sure people quite got was I was saying, but hey ho.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:40 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:33 am

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:06 am I voted no before I had watched the q and a. Redo is quite right in pointing out we knew what we signed up to and agreed to, it’s not like Danny pointed a gun at our heads and said sign here now is it?

I previously commented that some would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford that verses the watch the stream fee. I do feel for those people, I really do.

My personal take on it was and I’ve said it on here before, we nearly never had a club, I’m backing these owners as they’ve backed my club with cold hard cash. Watch the q and a and tell me they don’t care, in fact any of the q and a’s and listen to their passion. These people will win, they are winners and they will get us back to where we were and I do passionately believe back to the championship.

So I’m backing the club and I’m backing the owners.

Up the O’s.

100% this.

So you both believe he should insult people?

Very touchy Jimbo, he hadn't insulted anyone it's his opinion and on this occasion one I agree with.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:54 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:40 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:33 am

100% this.

So you both believe he should insult people?

Very touchy Jimbo, he hadn't insulted anyone it's his opinion and on this occasion one I agree with.

So I can call you a twaghead in future correspondence then as it's not an insult?

The club have been dropped in it by the other EFL members who voted for pricing the club didn't agree with Danny made it clear in the video, I have no doubt after listening to the Q&A that if we can't get into the ground to use our season tickets they would make a concession for 2021/2022 pricing or make a gesture in lieu.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:00 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:54 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:40 am

So you both believe he should insult people?

Very touchy Jimbo, he hadn't insulted anyone it's his opinion and on this occasion one I agree with.

So I can call you a twaghead in future correspondence then as it's not an insult?

I think RedO called you that. If you look at my response it was to Thors post.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:47 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

Yes i didn't ask for a refund.

I'm not expecting to be in the ground this side of xmas.

However if i'd known I'd be paying more for getting a season ticket with streaming access rather than someone whose just paying for Streaming the games I wouldn't have signed up.

You're not getting that .

You get a season ticket .
The government has banned clubs from allowing fans in

You are getting free streaming .

I a non season ticket holder would have to pay to watch.

I PAY for what I watch
You Watch for FREE .
When the ground re-opens (under limitations ),
You get acess to be 1 of the lucky few to attend games
I having paid for streaming & will get not a chance of entry to brissie road

I dont see why you are feeling so hard done by about the
Pricing of streaming, that was set by the
EFL & Fa Premier league & NOT
LEYTON ORIENT & you get it FREE .

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:51 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:47 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 am

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

However if i'd known I'd be paying more for getting a season ticket with streaming access rather than someone whose just paying for Streaming the games I wouldn't have signed up.

Redo was one of the people who called me out when I said some people would be out of pocket and maybe couldn’t afford to be in that position. I didn’t think it was fair on them now being informed that streaming would be cheaper. Not sure people quite got was I was saying, but hey ho.

The offer of a free stream is merely a form of minor compensation from the club, one that doesn’t involve them having to pay any cash out. It is in no way expected to fully cover the outlay made by season ticket holders.

Did all these people paying £300 - £400 or whatever for their season ticket honestly think the match day streams would increase from £10 last season to £15-£20 this season? Of course they didn’t. They thought that they may miss a few games but that the ground would own and they be allowed back in at some point this year.

They took a gamble, one where the club laid out the odds very clearly, and they’ve lost. Move on.

I know this only applies to the moaning minnies - I understand that lots of fans renewed knowing they would be out of pocket but did so out of loyalty to the club and the owners. I’m not including you in this. You lot deserve all the praise and thanks that has been heaped on you already.

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:47 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 am

JimbO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 am I personally would've thought twice about getting a season ticket if I'd know I was going to get penalised financially. If they make it work out cheaper for people to pay per game than season ticket holders that's bonkers. They should up the price for people paying for individual games. Also now wish I'd asked them to put the credit from last year towards this years tickets As I'm being taken advantage of (beyond the norm) for being loyal.

I take it you aren't 1 of the 60 %+ who voted No Refund then.

Lets get it right , the only people penalizing you is the Government ,
As they are the ones restricting crowds entry by law & understandably so

All those involved at the highest ranks of the club.are doing is
FOLLOWING GOVERNMENTS RULE OF LAW during an ever changing pandemic .

All it will take is 3 or 4 players from say 30% of all clubs to test positive & footy
Will be stopped wuick enough .

Yes i didn't ask for a refund.

I'm not expecting to be in the ground this side of xmas.

However if i'd known I'd be paying more for getting a season ticket with streaming access rather than someone whose just paying for Streaming the games I wouldn't have signed up.

You honestly thought they were going to start charging £15 - £20 to stream the game? Get outta here!

I don't think it's fair to say people knew what they were signing up for, everyone is in the dark with regards to what may happen with this pandemic.

People knew exactly what they were signing up for.

What appears to be the gripe here is that the streaming cost is still £10 per game. If the cost was put up to £20 for us non season ticket holders, they wouldn’t have an issue.

Ah so you didn't get a ST, no wonder you're not bothered.

thats what some are suggesting redo. However, once the ground is opened up once more in a limited capacity then as a season ticket holder our chances of getting in will be high, without one you've no chance of getting in and will have to pay for the stream.

Positives and negatives. You roll the dice and at some point our number comes up and we get in and others won't. There won't be moaning from season tickets holders then.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:00 pm Ah so you didn't get a ST, no wonder you're not bothered.

he made that point clear ages ago, so he's not jumping on the wagon now.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:01 pm thats what some are suggesting redo. However, once the ground is opened up once more in a limited capacity then as a season ticket holder our chances of getting in will be high, without one you've no chance of getting in and will have to pay for the stream.

Positives and negatives. You roll the dice and at some point our number comes up and we get in and others won't. There won't be moaning from season tickets holders then.

I would fully expect you to still get a free stream if you’re not one of the few allowed in.

This is exactly it. You’ve paid over the odds for the possibility of seeing some football this season. I thought it was too high a price so have accepted it’s highly unlikely I’ll be back in as not renewed.