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Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:09 pm

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:48 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:22 pm These boys set out, as the Prosecution stated, to steal a quad bike by any means. These lads had a large axe, three crowbars and a hammer. These are not the tools to steal a bike that is secure. These are tools used to threaten or harm anyone intent on stopping them. I have no doubt they intended to use them if necessary. A blind man on a white horse would have realised they were dragging the PC behind their car. They didn't care. Just look at them leaving the Court after the initial hearing. THEY DON'T CARE. They are brought up to despise ordinary people. They know we are soft on them and they love it. They don't abide by our laws, but use the laws to get away with murder. I have had quite a bit of experience dealing with them and it ain't nice. My foster-daughter used to work at Dagenham Bowls, they came in at week-ends to cause trouble. I worked part-time at Lakeside McDonalds. Their parents bring the kids in and show them how to get food for nothing. They are deliberately rude and provocative. There is a site not too far from me accessed by a single track road. Most of them do roofing. A job that is very difficult to check on their workmanship. They use Race Relation Laws to their advantage. Claiming that we are Racist. They are Irish not Romany. The Irish take a much harder line with them. Time we did too.

perhaps stowaway should read this exactly my point.

You made your initial post without even knowing that they were travellers - I bought that up, to see what your reaction would be, and it’s been exactly what I was expecting.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:25 pm I hope they have to share a cell with a big beefy bruiser, who has a penchant for pretty boys of Irish descent.

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:33 am I'd like to see a change in the law that if you're committing a crime and someone dies you are liable for murder

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:29 am You have to worry about the mindset of people whose first instinct after learning of a horrific crime is to excuse the perpetrators in some way

kokomO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:24 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:55 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:35 pm If it was the other way around and a copper had dragged a gypsy to his death you'd be marching through the streets.

The other way round.

It would make front page news around the world. More protests and defund the police marches. The only protests that will come from this will be from people moaning if these thugs get life.

Do you actually believe that people in this country will moan if they don't get life, do you honestly think that?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:21 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:35 pm If it was the other way around and a copper had dragged a gypsy to his death you'd be marching through the streets.

‘Gypsy’ is a politically incorrect term and also considered racist.

Please refrain from using such offensive epithets.

soloman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:24 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:21 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:35 pm If it was the other way around and a copper had dragged a gypsy to his death you'd be marching through the streets.

‘Gypsy’ is a politically incorrect term and also considered racist.

Please refrain from using such offensive epithets.

Get lost,you left wing hypocrite !!!

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:10 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:33 am I'd like to see a change in the law that if you're committing a crime and someone dies you are liable for murder

Oh FFS. Can’t you read? Murder and manslaughter are two entirely different things. Can’t you trust the CPS to tell the difference yet?

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:29 am You have to worry about the mindset of people whose first instinct after learning of a horrific crime is to excuse the perpetrators in some way

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:18 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:29 am You have to worry about the mindset of people whose first instinct after learning of a horrific crime is to excuse the perpetrators in some way

You wonder if those defending the perpetrators would still stick to the right-on line were it their son or daughter that were dragged to their death in such horrific circumstances.

Actually, the answer is "probably", such is the lobotomy present.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:18 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:29 am You have to worry about the mindset of people whose first instinct after learning of a horrific crime is to excuse the perpetrators in some way

You wonder if those defending the perpetrators would still stick to the right-on line were it their son or daughter that were dragged to their death in such horrific circumstances.

Actually, the answer is "probably", such is the lobotomy present.

Has anyone actually defended or excused these alleged scumbags though? I can’t see where that’s happened.

And of course you would react differently if it was your own family. Rationality obviously goes out the window in such instances.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:18 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:29 am You have to worry about the mindset of people whose first instinct after learning of a horrific crime is to excuse the perpetrators in some way

You wonder if those defending the perpetrators would still stick to the right-on line were it their son or daughter that were dragged to their death in such horrific circumstances.

Actually, the answer is "probably", such is the lobotomy present.

Has anyone actually defended or excused these alleged scumbags though? I can’t see where that’s happened.

And of course you would react differently if it was your own family. Rationality obviously goes out the window in such instances.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:51 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:18 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:18 pm

You wonder if those defending the perpetrators would still stick to the right-on line were it their son or daughter that were dragged to their death in such horrific circumstances.

Actually, the answer is "probably", such is the lobotomy present.

Has anyone actually defended or excused these alleged scumbags though? I can’t see where that’s happened.

And of course you would react differently if it was your own family. Rationality obviously goes out the window in such instances.

What's irrational about wanting justice?

soloman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:24 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:21 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:35 pm If it was the other way around and a copper had dragged a gypsy to his death you'd be marching through the streets.

‘Gypsy’ is a politically incorrect term and also considered racist.

Please refrain from using such offensive epithets.

Get lost,you left wing hypocrite !!!

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:51 pm Did I say Irish? No! Irish descent- that is something completely different. Are you trying tell me that most if not all travellers are not of Irish descent?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:33 am

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:51 pm Did I say Irish? No! Irish descent- that is something completely different. Are you trying tell me that most if not all travellers are not of Irish descent?

If you want i can take you to a travellers site near morecombe or one
Near Carlisle that is full of 8th 9th generation English travellers .

The one in kent that a friend of mine owns who is a mix of cumbrian &
lancastrian is also 5 generations on this island ,
While there are many travellers who indeed are of Irish descent you'd
be hard pressed to say all or nearly all are of Irish descent.

HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:33 am

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:51 pm Did I say Irish? No! Irish descent- that is something completely different. Are you trying tell me that most if not all travellers are not of Irish descent?

If you want i can take you to a travellers site near morecombe or one
Near Carlisle that is full of 8th 9th generation English travellers .

The one in kent that a friend of mine owns who is a mix of cumbrian &
lancastrian is also 5 generations on this island ,
While there are many travellers who indeed are of Irish descent you'd
be hard pressed to say all or nearly all are of Irish descent.

Sounds really inviting.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am

HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:33 am

If you want i can take you to a travellers site near morecombe or one
Near Carlisle that is full of 8th 9th generation English travellers .

The one in kent that a friend of mine owns who is a mix of cumbrian &
lancastrian is also 5 generations on this island ,
While there are many travellers who indeed are of Irish descent you'd
be hard pressed to say all or nearly all are of Irish descent.

Sounds really inviting.

The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings

All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .

What these 3 boys did was dispicable & they need to be incarcerated.

There is no need for others to then spread a little hate to the Irish forefathers from
possibly a 100 years ago . Thats what happens when you say stuff like
Descended from the Irish . You sew a bit of hate.