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Thor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:33 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:31 pm Does anybody on here actually know what this fantastic deal, that Mr Potatohead keeps banging on about, actually is?

Yes it’s sh*t and worse than mays! Not joking either.

So we are told, Thory, but what is in the deal? I would love to know.

And whilst this debate was going on, this is what the tories were up to. Holy f***.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ckuk-brand

Redcard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:32 pm That would just about sum up you and your fellow Marxist supporters Maxie boy, “didn’t watch it, but sounds like corbyn won easily”. Well I’ve news for you, no he didn’t. In typical fashion he was evasive and never answered the questions, where does he stand on brexit, will he rule out another Scottish referendum. Johnson won hands down, all corbyn could do is harp on with the nonsensical accusation that the Tory’s would sell out the n.h.s.

Ffs, he said exactly where he stands on Brexit - he will negotiate a proper agreement with the EU within 3 months, then put it to us the people to decide whether we want that or to remain. What could be clearer?

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:35 pm RC he’s promised the Scot’s a ref if he gets in

You what?

Yes, I can't believe how many times Fiona Bruce kept saying 'times up'. It was quite annoying.

Yougov poll "who performed best in the debate"

Johnson51%
Corbyn 49%

Top of the West. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:42 pm Yougov poll "who performed best in the debate"

Johnson51%
Corbyn 49%

Is that to remain or leave, geez, I'm so confused.

Corbyn comes over as a proper gent

Redo, no he did not. It was put to him several times where does HE stand on brexit for or against and he would not answer.
Kept harping on about putting it to the people again , and they would honor the vote. Well, old son we have had the vote, so bloody well honour it, and that’s coming from me someone who voted remain.
How on earth could that traitorous scum talk about the potential breaking up of the union when he actively supported the murderous I.r.a.

Redcard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 pm Redo, no he did not. It was put to him several times where does HE stand on brexit for or against and he would not answer.
Kept harping on about putting it to the people again , and they would honor the vote. Well, old son we have had the vote, so bloody well honour it, and that’s coming from me someone who voted remain.
How on earth could that traitorous scum talk about the potential breaking up of the union when he actively supported the murderous I.r.a.

Bonkers

Corbyn comes over as a proper gent(s) toilet.

The flaw in the Corbyn argument is why on earth would the EU agree to yet more negotiations and trying to get another agreement when Corbyn has publicly said he would not recommend it to the British people. The EUK would regard this as a complete waste of time and would not negotiate on that basis. Who would?

Max gold, shut up, your views are about as credible as your leader. You are commenting on something YOU DIDNT EVEN SEE.
You are a champion idiot, almost as stupid as the shadow Home Secretary.

Long as we stay in the EU, thats all that matters

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:51 pm Corbyn comes over as a proper gent

That’s funny, you’re taking the piss right?

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:01 pm Long as we stay in the EU, thats all that matters

A failed political experiment which will eventually bring down many countries as the strong break the weak. It’s already started and happened, wake up before it’s too late.

Come on you os, why should your vote or mine count for more than the majority. The people were asked a specific question, leave or stay. No ifs or buts, leave or stay. Leave won , we lost, honour it and get it done.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:53 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:51 pm Corbyn heckled over his answer to climate change

Yeah, by those who still refuse to believe we are stuffing up our planet. They probably refuse to believe plastics are a scourge on our future too.

I wouldn't worry. 5G will kill us all off well before then.

Redcard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 pm Redo, no he did not. It was put to him several times where does HE stand on brexit for or against and he would not answer.
Kept harping on about putting it to the people again , and they would honor the vote. Well, old son we have had the vote, so bloody well honour it, and that’s coming from me someone who voted remain.
How on earth could that traitorous scum talk about the potential breaking up of the union when he actively supported the murderous I.r.a.

Red card, yes he did. He explained that he would negotiate a proper deal and then let the people decide. This isn’t complicated stuff.

We may have had the vote but after 3.5 years the Dummies in charge still haven’t been able to negotiate a deal to allow us to leave on acceptable terms so we have no choice but to stay in, and that’s coming from a Leaver.

Surreyclive wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:59 pm The flaw in the Corbyn argument is why on earth would the EU agree to yet more negotiations and trying to get another agreement when Corbyn has publicly said he would not recommend it to the British people. The EUK would regard this as a complete waste of time and would not negotiate on that basis. Who would?

Hi Clive, welcome to the LOFC MB. Can you please provide your two references before I respond to your post fully? Thanking you.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:09 pm If you want Brexit over so the country can start to move on vote Tory.

That's the line Johnson pushes but the reality is: if the government persists with Brexit, the debates and hassles will continue for years to come.
Brexit can not be 'done' any time soon. Johnson is fooling people.

E10EU wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:15 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:09 pm If you want Brexit over so the country can start to move on vote Tory.

That's the line Johnson pushes but the reality is: if the government persists with Brexit, the debates and hassles will continue for years to come.
Brexit can not be 'done' any time soon. Johnson is fooling people.

He’s only fooling idiots, not everyone.

Redo. You are doing exactly what corbyn did, avoiding a direct question. He was asked, and I will put it again just In case you missed the half a dozen times he was asked HOW WOULD HE , HE, HE, HE, HE, CAMPAIGN FOR OR AGAINST BREXIT. Not about putting it to the people, but how would HE, HE, HE, HE personally campaign. FOR OR AGAINST.
Jesus, can’t you get it.

Itv poll showing 78% believe Corbs""""yyyy won it.

Surreyclive wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:59 pm The flaw in the Corbyn argument is why on earth would the EU agree to yet more negotiations and trying to get another agreement when Corbyn has publicly said he would not recommend it to the British people. The EUK would regard this as a complete waste of time and would not negotiate on that basis. Who would?

It's a small but important point. He has not "publicly said he would not recommend it to the British people". He's publicly refused to state whether he would or would not recommend it to the British people - and that's a very different thing indeed.

Obviously, the Tories would like him to make a stand NOW, one way or another, on which way he'd campaign in his own referendum, because they know that would alienate around half the country, so he's fairly sensible to refuse to make that point now. It's also not an unreasonable position from him that it would be absurd to state in advance whether or not he'd campaign for a deal that's yet to be negotiated. He may well know what his opening position in any negotiations would be, and I suppose if the negotiations ended with him getting everything he wanted at the start, then he'd back the exit deal that resulted. If, on the other hand, the negotiations ended up with a "deal" that he felt was so far short of his ideal (start position) and was so bad for the UK that he'd put it to the people - as promised - but campaign against it.

It's not that difficult to understand and it's a shame he seemed to be unable to put that across so the hard of thinking on the other side could get it.