Independent Leyton Orient Forum

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:15 am

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:58 am
Did he manage the team to promotion? Let's not forget Steve Davis either.

At the time Steve Davis was considered to be the best option. The manager who got us promoted was under contract at Northampton Town and was chosen by Martin Ling when he was available. Martin Ling signed a lot of the players who got us promoted in the space of six weeks ater he accepted the DOF job.

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:17 am

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:13 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:19 pm
Hate him? I don’t know him. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke, just not suited to his job, much like his son I suppose

Not good at his job?

He built a squad & structure & got us back in the the league within 2 seasons. Don't be such an ungrateful, clueless berk.

What structure would that be? The structure in place was put there by the owners. Ungrateful for what?

Wally Banter wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:59 am Always entertaining to watch people implode with speculation, guesswork and arguing when there’s a period of uncertainty at Orient. Why not just wait to see who’s appointed and how they get on?

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:08 pm

Wally Banter wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:59 am Always entertaining to watch people implode with speculation, guesswork and arguing when there’s a period of uncertainty at Orient. Why not just wait to see who’s appointed and how they get on?

What we say counts for nothing, just harmless fun speculating. We have to wait but this stuff fills the gap before some rip the new guy apart.

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:43 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:15 am

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am

At the time Steve Davis was considered to be the best option. The manager who got us promoted was under contract at Northampton Town and was chosen by Martin Ling when he was available. Martin Ling signed a lot of the players who got us promoted in the space of six weeks ater he accepted the DOF job.

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:51 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:17 am

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:13 am

Not good at his job?

He built a squad & structure & got us back in the the league within 2 seasons. Don't be such an ungrateful, clueless berk.

What structure would that be? The structure in place was put there by the owners. Ungrateful for what?

You really have no idea do you. Just an agenda against the name Ling.

Pretty sad

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:43 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:15 am
Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:16 am What's the problem? Embleton was only the interim manager anyway - and he still is.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:43 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:15 am
Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:07 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:43 am

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

You have proof of that do you? Yet another absurd claim by you with absolutely no foundation.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:07 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm
Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

You have proof of that do you? Yet another absurd claim by you with absolutely no foundation.

Anyone with a brain knows Biggsy is right about that.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am

Top of the West. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:38 pm If Ling Snr had drawn up a short list four months ago it wouldn't be very relevant now, half the people on that list would be in other roles and some decent candidates would be available now who were not back in June. It's taken less than two weeks so far which has included reviewing CV's, Informal and formal interviews, that in business terms is pretty quick, I'm sure the appointment will come on Monday when the owners have made the final interviews - it's not a long time to wait to get the right man it's too important a decision to rush.

Don't get the rage and continual sniping at Ling Snr who has played a massive part in turning this club around in the last two and a half years, he's doing a great job.

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:54 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am

Top of the West. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:38 pm If Ling Snr had drawn up a short list four months ago it wouldn't be very relevant now, half the people on that list would be in other roles and some decent candidates would be available now who were not back in June. It's taken less than two weeks so far which has included reviewing CV's, Informal and formal interviews, that in business terms is pretty quick, I'm sure the appointment will come on Monday when the owners have made the final interviews - it's not a long time to wait to get the right man it's too important a decision to rush.

Don't get the rage and continual sniping at Ling Snr who has played a massive part in turning this club around in the last two and a half years, he's doing a great job.

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage.

Tell us, other than a shortlist, what else he could have done four months ago that wouldn't have totally undermined the interim head coach before there was a permenent vacancy for that position? All while the club was mourning the loss of Edinburgh. Genuinely interested in your response.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:11 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:54 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am
I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage.

Tell us, other than a shortlist, what else he could have done four months ago that wouldn't have totally undermined the interim head coach before there was a permenent vacancy for that position? All while the club was mourning the loss of Edinburgh. Genuinely interested in your response.

You’re too caught up with 4 months ago and not in the last 4 months. He could have used that time to come up with a plan of how he’d like the team to play, whether he’d want someone to bring the youth team through, a good coach or good man manager etc.

Ross was appointed to buy time for everyone. For everyone to mourn. For everyone to assess the situation. He could have highlighted managers that fit the bill for everything he wants for Orient and gauged interest from them at any point. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if he didn’t feel comfortable doing that behind the interim manager’s back (despite everyone knowing it wasn’t going to be long term) and wanted to give everyone a clean start and the start of the season, everyone knew by mid-August it wasn’t working out and it wouldn’t. That’s 2 months out of the 4 that he’s seemingly twiddled his thumbs.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Lovejoy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:43 am

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm
Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:11 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:54 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am
I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage

You’re too caught up with 4 months ago and not in the last 4 months. He could have used that time to come up with a plan of how he’d like the team to play, whether he’d want someone to bring the youth team through, a good coach or good man manager etc.

Ross was appointed to buy time for everyone. For everyone to mourn. For everyone to assess the situation. He could have highlighted managers that fit the bill for everything he wants for Orient and gauged interest from them at any point. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if he didn’t feel comfortable doing that behind the interim manager’s back (despite everyone knowing it wasn’t going to be long term) and wanted to give everyone a clean start and the start of the season, everyone knew by mid-August it wasn’t working out and it wouldn’t. That’s 2 months out of the 4 that he’s seemingly twiddled his thumbs.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:30 pm
Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:16 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:26 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:16 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.

Well said.
Never got this love in with Ling, a bloke who was sacked by the club for a year of rubbish results which would have ended in relegation if Barry hadn’t pulled the trigger.
I’ve got a strong feeling that this appointment is going to be a cheap option, someone like Hendon, Nugent or Burnett.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:16 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

Being orient through & through doesnt make your opinion competent

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

Most people arent backing a process , they are regailing against blithering idiots

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Appointed & a manager in 6 weeks to get a team ready for the 1st game of a season.
3 months in realised manager wasnt working, bought in the next man who steadied the ship
then cracked on with promotion. Handled the death of that man with class & dignity

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

Pointing out your own inadequacies more than anyone elses

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.


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