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Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:26 pm**

"Avi, pull your socks up"

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm**

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:52 am Johnsons a wrong un alright....
According to the papers today, Ian Duncan Smith is encouraging johnson to break the law.
I cant believe this is happening in Britain......as the OP says, we're on our way to being a dictatorship

A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:52 am Johnsons a wrong un alright....
According to the papers today, Ian Duncan Smith is encouraging johnson to break the law.
I cant believe this is happening in Britain......as the OP says, we're on our way to being a dictatorship
A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .

The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:50 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:52 am Johnsons a wrong un alright....
According to the papers today, Ian Duncan Smith is encouraging johnson to break the law.
I cant believe this is happening in Britain......as the OP says, we're on our way to being a dictatorship
A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.

I think that was a general election. One of the party's is trying to have another, but 5 other parties have refused - so want to Britain closed for business. Why would you not want to sort this out?

Whoever wins can sort this out. But if there is a loophole or the EU refuse an extension, then we will be leaving without a deal. Not what most want, but we do need some certainty for everyone to move forward.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:53 pm**

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:50 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm

A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.
I think that was a general election. One of the party's is trying to have another, but 5 other parties have refused - so want to Britain closed for business. Why would you not want to sort this out?

Whoever wins can sort this out. But if there is a loophole or the EU refuse an extension, then we will be leaving without a deal. Not what most want, but we do need some certainty for everyone to move forward.

Nobody trusts Johnson before 31 Oct.

Can you not see that?

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:09 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:53 pm
Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:50 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm

The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.
I think that was a general election. One of the party's is trying to have another, but 5 other parties have refused - so want to Britain closed for business. Why would you not want to sort this out?

Whoever wins can sort this out. But if there is a loophole or the EU refuse an extension, then we will be leaving without a deal. Not what most want, but we do need some certainty for everyone to move forward.
Nobody trusts Johnson before 31 Oct.

Can you not see that?

If he did not stick to his word. An immediate backlash from all voters, no more Tory party. The EU may even decide to allow new negotiations immediately to keep us in.

Unfortunately, i think that if forced to extend the deadline, Johnson may gain more than people realise. He can now prove that parliament is against people wishes. Only 60% of labour and 70% of conservative constituencies voted to leave. These will go against remain parties potentially.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:41 pm**

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:50 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm

A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.
I think that was a general election. One of the party's is trying to have another, but 5 other parties have refused - so want to Britain closed for business. Why would you not want to sort this out?

Whoever wins can sort this out. But if there is a loophole or the EU refuse an extension, then we will be leaving without a deal. Not what most want, but we do need some certainty for everyone to move forward.

If we do come out next month then the foreseeable future will all be about trying to secure trade deals. Anyone who thinks it'll finally be an end to it, or there will be any certainty, is going to be sorely disappointed.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:48 pm**

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:47 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:08 pm
PAM wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:53 pm Ignoring the vote of 321 MPs = Dictstorship

Ignoring the vote of 17,410,742 voters = Meh

#LeaveMeansLeave #CleanBreakBrexit
A fair point. Is Boris breaking the law or respecting the voters? Either way the guy is not my taste in politician. Learning the hard way.
Breaking means breaking.

And referendums aren’t legally binding

If you don't intend to carry out the wish of the referendum, what was the point of having them.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:00 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:05 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:02 pm How much money has been wasted on this Brexit thingy so far and where has the cash come from to fund it
Well the Russians have stumped up a fair bit so far but they've had a great return.

Do you have any proof for that. Mate?

Link please from an 'respected' and trusted source.

Now listen Sonny, 17.5 million voted to leave the EU in the largest democratic vote in UK history. I don't remember on the ballot paper a bit that said if you voted to leave please go to question 2 ie. 'Do you want a hard or soft brexit or a deal or no deal deal. It was in or out. f*** all else, you can't keep changing the rules because you're throwing a hissy fit because you don't like the result. It's called DEMOCRACY, something you leftys just don't understand.

If you don't like it, then f*** off to your wonderdful EU. And that's something I did, 'cos London isn't my own thing anymore and I quite like being a forerigner in someone elses country these days.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:27 am**

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:48 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:47 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:08 pm

A fair point. Is Boris breaking the law or respecting the voters? Either way the guy is not my taste in politician. Learning the hard way.
Breaking means breaking.

And referendums aren’t legally binding
If you don't intend to carry out the wish of the referendum, what was the point of having them.

The point of the referendum was for Dave to
Sort out the Story Party & paranoia over losing seats
to nigel & ukip.

Come on , that was obvious to everybody

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:19 am**

StockholmO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:00 am
BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:05 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:02 pm How much money has been wasted on this Brexit thingy so far and where has the cash come from to fund it
Well the Russians have stumped up a fair bit so far but they've had a great return.

Do you have any proof for that. Mate?

Link please from an 'respected' and trusted source.

Now listen Sonny, 17.5 million voted to leave the EU in the largest democratic vote in UK history. I don't remember on the ballot paper a bit that said if you voted to leave please go to question 2 ie. 'Do you want a hard or soft brexit or a deal or no deal deal. It was in or out. f*** all else, you can't keep changing the rules because you're throwing a hissy fit because you don't like the result. It's called DEMOCRACY, something you leftys just don't understand.

If you don't like it, then f*** off to your wonderdful EU. And that's something I did, 'cos London isn't my own thing anymore and I quite like being a forerigner in someone elses country these days. For fannies sake.

I’m sure the Swedes are ecstatic to have you!

Now WUM off.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:31 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:27 am
point nine one eight wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:48 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:47 pm
Breaking means breaking.

And referendums aren’t legally binding
If you don't intend to carry out the wish of the referendum, what was the point of having them.
The point of the referendum was for Dave to
Sort out the Story Party & paranoia over losing seats
to nigel & ukip.

Come on , that was obvious to everybody

At the time the Tory party had not lost any seat to Ukip, in fact Ukip had no sitting MP's in Parliament

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:43 am**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:47 pm Remainer MPs discussed Brexit delay date with EU before passing bill. Doesn't seem right to me.

In my book that's Treason

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:50 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:25 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:48 pm
BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:34 pm

It's the new "spin" of late that all our Brexit woes are down to the behaviour of MP's whereas the blame really lies squarely on the shoulders of the Conservative Party and this government. That the Tories are to blame is the view of many, including many Tory MP's.
You believe that. I'll stick to my opinion.

Brexit, IMO, is a bigger issue than party politics and all parties should have worked together to get the best deal for the country. Not spend years arguing, plotting and sabotaging to stop it happening for their own reasons.

The EU don't have to negotiate with us as Parliament Is full of self serving, incompetent tossers who don't know how to stand up for this country.
Yes, they are called conservative politicians.

Your still out of touch, get out of your bubble, out of London you'll get a vastly different Idea of how the country thinks. It's the other way round fella

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:02 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:35 am
Token wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:25 am The morning after the referendum Cameron shouldn’t have immediately resigned. He should've set a date for his departure and then held a consultation with all the parties as to how we left. Another referendum to confirm this then could’ve been held fairly soon after. Then we could trigger Article 50 and leave with the backing of all parties and the people.

Instead he cowardly left us in the poo poo. And May pressed ahead on her own. It never should’ve been down to the party in power to decide how we left. Had to involve all of them.

So every last part of this total catastrofuck lays squarely at the door of the Tories.

The only consolation is that once this is all finally over the Tory party will be left as the hard right English nationalist party responsible for destroying our economy and our society. And will never win an election again.
Yup, and I hope your last sentence proves true but there are a lot of plonkers who vote in this Country.

Your right there, you're one of them

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:07 am**

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:50 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm

A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.
I think that was a general election. One of the party's is trying to have another, but 5 other parties have refused - so want to Britain closed for business. Why would you not want to sort this out?

Whoever wins can sort this out. But if there is a loophole or the EU refuse an extension, then we will be leaving without a deal. Not what most want, but we do need some certainty for everyone to move forward.

This isn't difficult stuff to comprehend.

Given the stunts he's pulled so far, no one trusts Alexander de Pfeffel and quite rightly.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:28 am**

I know what you mean - it’s mindbottling that anyone thinks BoJo The Clown is doing a good job. But the polls suggest otherwise, which makes me despair of many of my fellow Little Englanders. There must be a good 35% of the electorate who seem happy to self-harm on this issue and go over the no-deal cliff.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:31 am**

slacker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:28 am I know what you mean - it’s mindbottling that anyone thinks BoJo The Clown is doing a good job. But the polls suggest otherwise, which makes me despair of many of my fellow Little Englanders. There must be a good 35% of the electorate who seem happy to self-harm on this issue and go over the no-deal cliff.

People dont want to hear it, but they dont know what they want. Immigration is clearly a massive driver, but neither campaign did anything to enlighten to electorate to what Brexit would actually mean. People who say 'i didnt want a no deal brexit, but do now, just to get out' are mostly lying imo. Barley anyone who voted even knew we would be negotiating a 'deal'. They assumed we'd say ta ta, leave on a certain date, be able to travel to spain twice a year and all would be rosey. People are blinkered and thick, in general society, regardless of which way they voted.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:19 pm**

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:43 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:47 pm Remainer MPs discussed Brexit delay date with EU before passing bill. Doesn't seem right to me.
In my book that's Treason

Is it a “Janet & John” book?

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:26 pm**

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:19 pm
point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:43 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:47 pm Remainer MPs discussed Brexit delay date with EU before passing bill. Doesn't seem right to me.
In my book that's Treason
Is it a “Janet & John” book?

Nah Jennings ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:26 pm**

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:31 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:27 am
point nine one eight wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:48 pm
If you don't intend to carry out the wish of the referendum, what was the point of having them.
The point of the referendum was for Dave to
Sort out the Story Party & paranoia over losing seats
to nigel & ukip.

Come on , that was obvious to everybody

At the time the Tory party had not lost any seat to Ukip, in fact Ukip had no sitting MP's in Parliament

Which shows the STUPIDITY of anyone who backed Cameron & then May with votes in the general elections.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:07 pm**

There should be a new mis-selling campaign against the Daily Mail and The Sun for loss of rational thinking ability.

Mikero

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:54 pm**

Everyone is resigning, feels much like that time we had a clown in charge at orient.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:45 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:52 am Johnsons a wrong un alright....
According to the papers today, Ian Duncan Smith is encouraging johnson to break the law.
I cant believe this is happening in Britain......as the OP says, we're on our way to being a dictatorship
A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.

That’s democracy for you.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:01 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:45 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 pm

A strange type of dictatorship that wants a general election so the people can decide who governs us .
The people decided last time and delivered a hung parliament propped up by DUP clowns.
That’s democracy for you.

No it isn’t. Nobody voted for the DUP to control the government.

No-one.

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