Independent Leyton Orient Forum

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:30 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:00 pm

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:28 pm If he is not here at RW request, he should not be here.

RW is an employee of the club and ultimately it is up to the owners / Directors who is employed at the club

If the club value RW to the degree they should, they should get RW approval or risk putting his nose out of joint.
The whole McMhon inclusion into the club smells extremely fishy.

RW is just an employee of the club and can be replaced. He does not own the club and he is merely one of many employees

Yes, it is helpful that the manager is in agreement with a choice of employee working under him, but as in many businesses you have people working under you that you do not agree with and have to accept it because your boss insists on him.

The club is far bigger and far more than any one employee, no matter how good a manager you think they are.

The club existed before RW and will exist after RW.


PS Do not consrrue this as me having a go at RW or suggesting he is not doing a good job. It is nothing of the sort, it is about the role of an employee compared to the owner / directors.

If Travis & Teague decided to withdraw Leyton Orient from the EFL and to close the club down, that is their perogative as the owners as they can choose to do that [ No suggesting they would destro their asset/ investment, but if they wanted to no one could stop them, not RW, not any other employee nor any supporter

The owners always have the ultimate say

This is the first we officially heard about the appointment https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/ ... lham-u21s/ Dave first asks about him at 3:30.

It's pretty clear he was brought in without a clear agenda just because Martin has a really good relationship with him. They then had the idea of him taking the 5-6 players that didn't travel for training on a Friday and Saturday morning. Then the idea popped up about a set piece specialist (althought Richie says Roycey and someone else are also dealing with that).

It's really notable how upbeat Richie is during the interview, other than the 60 seconds he's talking about this appointment.

That's one way to spin it. The clip is as anodyne as it gets.

As soon as Dave says he's going to change subject, Richie's whole tone changes. Anyone watching the full interview can't help but notice the contrast.

As I've said elsewhere, our best form of the season came in October, just after he was appointed.

Are you attributing our loss of form to this appointment based on the body language of a manager giving a generic response to the appointment if a new coach after a jpt game against Fulham kids? Do we really think Wellens would have been forced into accepting this appointment ?

I've said elsewhere why I think we're struggling, and that's a lack of nous through the core of our team. I like all of Brynn, Cooper, Turns, Happe, El Miz and Brown but none of them are the wily old pros we need.

I've just dug out this interview after being asked for a link to it by someone the other day.

You're basically peddling a conspiracy theory and that is typically because the truth is unpaletable or too complicated for you.

A conspiracy theory that we lack experience?

A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

where's the conspiracy though?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

But I've literally said in the post above what I believe our problem is?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:28 am I've said elsewhere why I think we're struggling, and that's a lack of nous through the core of our team. I like all of Brynn, Cooper, Turns, Happe, El Miz and Brown but none of them are the wily old pros we need.

I've just dug out this interview after being asked for a link to it by someone the other day.

I basically agree. I see the problem more with midfield than with our strikers.

Jobs for the boys gentlemen,the point is how many times have we scored from a corner or a set piece. We not the tallest team in the world so therefore they need to look outside the box maybe literally

https://www.sportbible.com/football/foo ... 2-20231124

Notts County manager debunks myth and explains why short corners are so effective, it's brilliant

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

where's the conspiracy though?

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:28 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

where's the conspiracy though?

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

The alternative explanation is that McMahon is such an accomplished “set-piece coach” that we simply could not pass on the opportunity to offer him a role as he was available.


Which scenario do you think is most likely?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:28 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

where's the conspiracy though?

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

not much of a conspiracy really, is it? A couple of pals helping each other out. Seems quite mundane and plausible, in fact.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:28 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:54 am A conspiracy theory that somehow Daryll McMahon is the cause of all our woes.

where's the conspiracy though?

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

But he is Lings mate. Richie says how good mates they are in the interview above.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:43 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:28 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:09 pm

where's the conspiracy though?

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

The alternative explanation is that McMahon is such an accomplished “set-piece coach” that we simply could not pass on the opportunity to offer him a role as he was available.


Which scenario do you think is most likely?

he cant be too bad a coach, he's had a few jobs and his name is often mentioned when we're hunting for a new manager.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:22 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:43 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:28 pm

That he's Lings mate and its payback for Mcmahon signing Sam Ling for Dagenham.

The alternative explanation is that McMahon is such an accomplished “set-piece coach” that we simply could not pass on the opportunity to offer him a role as he was available.


Which scenario do you think is most likely?

he cant be too bad a coach, he's had a few jobs and his name is often mentioned when we're hunting for a new manager.

Tbh LSN Ling hasn’t got the best track record as far as managers go

And not the worst either

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:38 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:22 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:43 pm

The alternative explanation is that McMahon is such an accomplished “set-piece coach” that we simply could not pass on the opportunity to offer him a role as he was available.


Which scenario do you think is most likely?

he cant be too bad a coach, he's had a few jobs and his name is often mentioned when we're hunting for a new manager.

Tbh LSN Ling hasn’t got the best track record as far as managers go

2 title winners in 4 years
2018/9 & 2022/3 .
That's better than loads of efl clubs & PL clubs .

At 4:55 on Saturday after Derby have tonked us 3 - 0, the owners have to ask themselves if theres any point in him actually working for Orient