Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:54 am
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Why? It makes perfect sense for the Guardians of rentier capitalism to protect landlords and not the poor schmucks who vote for them because they think they will look after them.
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:38 am In a fantasy parallel universe, had he emerged at the same time as a switch to a PR electoral system, he could have done well. But under FPTP, 600K members and 10.3 million votes does not necessarily translate into actual power. Especially when they're mainly concentrated in constituencies that were already likely to vote Labour. The cross-party alliance to maintain the status quo just made the eventual defeat even worse (and possibly more permanent in terms of Westminster politics) than it would otherwise have been.
Cheers Karl.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:37 pmMen make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:38 am In a fantasy parallel universe, had he emerged at the same time as a switch to a PR electoral system, he could have done well. But under FPTP, 600K members and 10.3 million votes does not necessarily translate into actual power. Especially when they're mainly concentrated in constituencies that were already likely to vote Labour. The cross-party alliance to maintain the status quo just made the eventual defeat even worse (and possibly more permanent in terms of Westminster politics) than it would otherwise have been.
The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language.
No worries. You needed it.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:43 pmCheers Karl.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:37 pmMen make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:38 am In a fantasy parallel universe, had he emerged at the same time as a switch to a PR electoral system, he could have done well. But under FPTP, 600K members and 10.3 million votes does not necessarily translate into actual power. Especially when they're mainly concentrated in constituencies that were already likely to vote Labour. The cross-party alliance to maintain the status quo just made the eventual defeat even worse (and possibly more permanent in terms of Westminster politics) than it would otherwise have been.
The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language.
I'm not undermining them. I am pointing out that they are not a vehicle for delivering socialism and therefore for socialists they belong in the dustbin of history.Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:45 pm Max, you undermining the Labour Party is never going to get you the next Tory victory you long for. Give up on your boring diatribes.
No. What did they do anyway?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:13 amSo there's not an issue losing 450,000 members? OKs.FrankOFile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:22 amGone where? Did they actually even vote for Corbyn in 2019?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:24 pm Labour Party Membership:
Under Corbyn - 600,000
Under Starmer - 150,000
450,000 have gone.
If so, they must have been the only ones.
Time for this obsession for a failure to end.
Gave them about £6m in hard cash which Stalmer is trying to replace by seducing rich capitalists.FrankOFile wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:43 amNo. What did they do anyway?Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:13 amSo there's not an issue losing 450,000 members? OKs.FrankOFile wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:22 am
Gone where? Did they actually even vote for Corbyn in 2019?
If so, they must have been the only ones.
Time for this obsession for a failure to end.
Starmer's gibberish gets more and more bizarre.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:36 am Unbelievable from the Tory leader again
“Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise,” he says.
Oh
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... k-to-power
As an alternative to what we have now, I will take it every day of the week.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:33 pm Nothing bizarre about it. He's just finally being open and honest about who he is and who his government will serve. And it isn't you or me.