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What about sometimes given some praise to the police ? Who would even want to do their job nowadays, especially when on duty in some of the most crime ridden inner city ares of the UK where you are at risk of being beaten up, stabbed or even shot whilst going about your normal duties. Seems to me that being a police officer is not a job many would like to do, certainly not for me. Without any police force we might become something like some of the third world countries where the army would go out on the streets controlling the mobs of looters and rioters by means of shooting them.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:09 pmAmazing that you can't criticise the Police for using a prone, restrained man's head as a football if you ever want them to just do their job in another situation. Didn't realise it was either/or.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:25 pmThese same people who are putting down the police would be the very first to welcome the help of the police if they were being threatened or attacked by violent criminals, especially if the offenders were carrying knives or guns.Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:18 pm Preposterous Joe:-Even the GMP aren't claiming a female officer had her jaw broken so why are you spreading that apparent misinformation?
Oh sorry! The Guardian reporting only her nose was broken. I guess that's OK then PJ? I note that you are supporting geezers are so 'ard that they attack a woman.
You and some others on this forum seem to have an intense dislike for the police, so that is in its worst circumstances is the worst alternative.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:34 pm What does that have to do with anything being discussed?
How comes?
What does that even mean?Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:39 pmYou and some others on this forum seem to have an intense dislike for the police, so that is in its worst circumstances is the worst alternative.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:34 pm What does that have to do with anything being discussed?
What would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:09 pm It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.
If you absolutely must kick and stamp on someone's head, that's probably the best time to do it. Otherwise they might kick and stamp back.Adz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:32 amWhat would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:09 pm It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.
I guess it's impossible not to kick and stamp on someone's head when the opportunity arises, so maybe the solution is to swap out the police jackboots for plimsollsDunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:54 amIf you absolutely must kick and stamp on someone's head, that's probably the best time to do it. Otherwise they might kick and stamp back.Adz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:32 amWhat would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:09 pm It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.
In Uk, seems that some people in certain areas of this country hate any form of law enforcement plus a hatred of anyone in the armed forces, thus leaving the barracks in your service uniform is nowadays akin to having a target on your back. My Father was a proud member of the British army and like many other British men was in the British army from 1939 till 1945. He was proud to wear his uniform and was a also member of the territorial army from 1935. Without our armed services to defend us, the UK as we know it now would not exist.Friend or faux wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:09 pm Preposterous Joe:- This is a complex story and I feel sure that none of us are in possession of the full facts. You were quick to pull me up on mis-reported facts. But a lady had her nose broken by one of these guys. There was a previous altercation that doesn't seem to have any filmed footage. There does seem to be evidence that some of these guys tried to remove the weapons of the armed police. That in itself is a cause for concern. It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason. Nobody on here can claim to be in full possession of the facts. You seem along with Maxy ( your alter-ego?), to be quick to criticise British Police. Who have a difficult job to do. One was seriously stabbed in a prison this week. If you don't like our Police, why not emigrate to Iran, and see how you get on with their law and order. [ Probably wasting my time trying to reason with a somewhat aggressive troll]
The police are public servants and are accountable to the communities they protect and serve.Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:17 am I think the majority of people think the police have unenviable task and we wouldn't like to be in their shoes. They are obviously going to suffer abuse and physical violence on occasions. It's a bit rich to expect them to smile nicely and not react when this occurs. Personally I have no issue if they give a smack back when assaulted, particularly if a female colleague has had her nose broken. That said and not knowing the full facts, it does appear that police have stepped over the mark as to what is reasonable. Personally I believe police are human and are entitled to react when assaulted, however they need to react in an appropriate manner and not become clones of those they are there to protect us from.
It's a unique win for us cranks when a far right Boarder 100% fails to find an argument to justify a serious assault on a member of the public by an out of control police person.
Fear not. I'm sure this rare moment of agreement wont last long. We both have our reputations to uphold.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:59 amIt's a unique win for us cranks when a far right Boarder 100% fails to find an argument to justify a serious assault on a member of the public by an out of control police person.
Witness how ordinary men and women of the armed services used to be held in respect as to what personal sacrifices they had made in order to protect this Country. Nowadays if they leave the barracks wearing their service uniform, chances are they will end up being attacked by certain members of the community who intensively dislike the UK and all it stands for. Police have a very hard job to do and again are an open target to be attacked in one way or another. Little notice is taken on this on this forum when servicemen or police are attacked, killed or wounded in the course of their duty but of course much made of it when it seems like the police have stepped out of line. This latest incident has still got to be fully investigated before full conclusions can finalized as to the lead up to this happening.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:00 am What does your Dad serving in the army have to do with the Police kicking this guy's head in?