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On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:53 am On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:53 am On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

You sure it wasnt people just being sick of 20 years of Tory SLEAZE ?

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:53 am On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

Starmer is making Labour electable again after the far left infiltration

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:19 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:53 am On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

Starmer is making Labour electable again after the far left infiltration

It's just a pity that he had to turn Labour into Red Tories to do it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:37 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:19 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

Starmer is making Labour electable again after the far left infiltration

It's just a pity that he had to turn Labour into Red Tories to do it.

The problem Labour lefties just don’t get. Keep peddling the momentum stuff and the party won’t get elected. It’s not about what a few fanatics want, it’s about what the electorate want. Something Labour have long since forgotten. Something Blair understood clearly.

Produce policies that are acceptable to people and Labour may get elected. It’s the people that matter, not the stuff peddled by a few fanatics.

This is not complex. People don’t exist for the sake of the party.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:55 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:53 am On the day in 1997, Labour won 418 seats in the General Election, giving them a majority of 179.

In their worst election defeat since 1906, the Conservatives retained just 165 MPs, with their smallest share of the vote since 1832.

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

You sure it wasnt people just being sick of 20 years of Tory SLEAZE ?

What people do is get all wound up in their own rhetoric. In case you haven’t noticed, sleaze is not limited to the Tories and the average Joe out there understands this. Bullying, lies (sorry honest mistakes), beergate. All just as bad, they are as bad as each other.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:50 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:55 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:42 am

Back at a time when they listened and understood what voters wanted with leadership people believed could deliver. Now they are more interested in telling the electorate what they think they should want. And yet to elect a leader that generates confidence that they could even deliver that.

You sure it wasnt people just being sick of 20 years of Tory SLEAZE ?

What people do is get all wound up in their own rhetoric. In case you haven’t noticed, sleaze is not limited to the Tories and the average Joe out there understands this. Bullying, lies (sorry honest mistakes), beergate. All just as bad, they are as bad as each other.

Beergate 1 beer with a pizza at a by election campaign isnt the same as b.y.o.b to the garden or birthdaygate or xmas quiz gate or " its a work event" o sorry pm ill resign

What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

Daily Mail showing Starmer breaking Lockdown rules Starmer with Frank Dobson who died in 2019

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:20 pm Daily Mail showing Starmer breaking Lockdown rules
FRvV-c1X0AAmJOA.jpg

Starmer with Frank Dobson who died in 2019
FRvV-c-XoAADIAF.jpg

How is this breaking lockdown rules ?

This event happenned in May ( Beergate)
Lockdown rules were being eased by March .

So in effect after lockdown rules .

Its a shame the daily Fail cant get there timelines to fit
With Tory covid restrictions being lifted .


Also why the picture of Dobson who died in nov 2019 ?

The Fail reall are having a shocker here

It happened before Covid in 2019, nothing to see here at all

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm
What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

The policy of relatives dying alone was sensible, if we'd done it sooner a lot less would have died. Be angry Boris had a party, but the policy in place was right.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm
What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

The policy of relatives dying alone was sensible, if we'd done it sooner a lot less would have died. Be angry Boris had a party, but the policy in place was right.

Nah cant agree with that, proper ppe outfits would have allowed patients to say goodbye , unfortunately , none of this happened until end april-ish , & by then to many were affected !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52299590

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:50 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:55 pm

You sure it wasnt people just being sick of 20 years of Tory SLEAZE ?

What people do is get all wound up in their own rhetoric. In case you haven’t noticed, sleaze is not limited to the Tories and the average Joe out there understands this. Bullying, lies (sorry honest mistakes), beergate. All just as bad, they are as bad as each other.

Beergate 1 beer with a pizza at a by election campaign isnt the same as b.y.o.b to the garden or birthdaygate or xmas quiz gate or " its a work event" o sorry pm ill resign

What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

So what we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. Fair enough. Yous sh*tty behaviour is worse than my sh*tty behaviour.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:12 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:50 pm

What people do is get all wound up in their own rhetoric. In case you haven’t noticed, sleaze is not limited to the Tories and the average Joe out there understands this. Bullying, lies (sorry honest mistakes), beergate. All just as bad, they are as bad as each other.

Beergate 1 beer with a pizza at a by election campaign isnt the same as b.y.o.b to the garden or birthdaygate or xmas quiz gate or " its a work event" o sorry pm ill resign

What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

So what we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. Fair enough. Yous sh*tty behaviour is worse than my sh*tty behaviour.

Are you really that stupid that you cant see the difference ? 1 event beergate happened after full covid restrictions were lifted , tory party gates happened under full lockdown rules ! f*ck me no wonder the tories con these fools so easily .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:27 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:12 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm

Beergate 1 beer with a pizza at a by election campaign isnt the same as b.y.o.b to the garden or birthdaygate or xmas quiz gate or " its a work event" o sorry pm ill resign

What i know about average joe is that there f#cking raging that there relatives were allowed to die alone . if you spent more time in tory watch thread youd know this !

So what we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. Fair enough. Yous sh*tty behaviour is worse than my sh*tty behaviour.

Are you really that stupid that you cant see the difference ? 1 event beergate happened after full covid restrictions were lifted , tory party gates happened under full lockdown rules ! f*ck me no wonder the tories con these fools so easily .

Excuses. And the lie that what’s her face wasn’t there until the video footage, it then becomes and honest mistake. Bullying, an honest mistake etc. open your eyes. I’m no apologist for the Tories, let alone Boris who I despise. But continue to fool yourself. So much sh*t from all parties of late. Grow up. What we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. That is pretty damned obvious.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:35 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:27 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:12 pm

So what we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. Fair enough. Yous sh*tty behaviour is worse than my sh*tty behaviour.

Are you really that stupid that you cant see the difference ? 1 event beergate happened after full covid restrictions were lifted , tory party gates happened under full lockdown rules ! f*ck me no wonder the tories con these fools so easily .

Excuses. And the lie that what’s her face wasn’t there until the video footage, it then becomes and honest mistake. Bullying, an honest mistake etc. open your eyes. I’m no apologist for the Tories, let alone Boris who I despise. But continue to fool yourself. So much sh*t from all parties of late. Grow up. What we are talking about is degrees of sleaze. That is pretty damned obvious.

why are you so hot & bothered for her ? you are an apologist for the t*ries. not excuses, rules is rules you either break em or you dont. you keep deluding yerself tho !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:28 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:20 pm Daily Mail showing Starmer breaking Lockdown rules
FRvV-c1X0AAmJOA.jpg

Starmer with Frank Dobson who died in 2019
FRvV-c-XoAADIAF.jpg

How is this breaking lockdown rules ?

This event happenned in May ( Beergate)
Lockdown rules were being eased by March .

So in effect after lockdown rules .

Its a shame the daily Fail cant get there timelines to fit
With Tory covid restrictions being lifted .


Also why the picture of Dobson who died in nov 2019 ?

The Fail reall are having a shocker here

If I didn't know better I would have said our free press is just making things up. Propaganda I believe it's called.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:47 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:28 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 3:20 pm Daily Mail showing Starmer breaking Lockdown rules
FRvV-c1X0AAmJOA.jpg

Starmer with Frank Dobson who died in 2019
FRvV-c-XoAADIAF.jpg

How is this breaking lockdown rules ?

This event happenned in May ( Beergate)
Lockdown rules were being eased by March .

So in effect after lockdown rules .

Its a shame the daily Fail cant get there timelines to fit
With Tory covid restrictions being lifted .


Also why the picture of Dobson who died in nov 2019 ?

The Fail reall are having a shocker here

If I didn't know better I would have said our free press is just making things up. Propaganda I believe it's called.

No Maxy just conning the soft folk is what it is .

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:46 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:37 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 2:19 pm

Starmer is making Labour electable again after the far left infiltration

It's just a pity that he had to turn Labour into Red Tories to do it.

The problem Labour lefties just don’t get.

But aren’t Labour supposed to be lefties?

No

Oh. Who are the lefties supposed to vote for then?

I'm not sure that there's enough of them for it to really matter.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 6:46 am I'm not sure that there's enough of them for it to really matter.

This side of the socialist revolution the revolutionaries are a minority.

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 10:27 pm Oh. Who are the lefties supposed to vote for then?

I’m sure somewhere I said Momemtum! That lot of the too far left.

Hearing rumours Blair is advising Starmer. Need to look into that to make sure it’s not just another nothing story. Sort of left of centre.