Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:11 pm
But you don't actually know that's how the majority of in poverty people eat do you. It just fits your worldview to believe that working poor people are just feckless.
Research shows it's cheaper and easier to eat badly than it is well. This is true across the world by the way, not some unique failing to the UK. The world is getting fatter.
I'd love to see this research because the conflation of cheaper and easier is quite amusing
I think anything that allows you to snark on the sidelines without ever offering an opinion of your own amuses you, so it's a very low bar you're setting.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:11 pm
But you don't actually know that's how the majority of in poverty people eat do you. It just fits your worldview to believe that working poor people are just feckless.
Research shows it's cheaper and easier to eat badly than it is well. This is true across the world by the way, not some unique failing to the UK. The world is getting fatter.
I'd love to see this research because the conflation of cheaper and easier is quite amusing
I think anything that allows you to snark on the sidelines without ever offering an opinion of your own amuses you, so it's a very low bar you're setting.
How droll, a Guardian article from years ago on how it's tough to hit government standards on food consumption
Which part of the Kellogg report should I refer to as that seems a bit more relevant than the Guardian article?
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:55 pm
by Mistadobalina
Your shout entirely. You can even go the report the guardian article is referencing if you're genuinely interested.
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:55 pm
Your shout entirely. You can even go the report the guardian article is referencing if you're genuinely interested.
Thanks, do you have any reports that aren't years old like the reports you quoted?
The Kellogs reports is over 3 years old... but thanks
Re: Rashford - Free Meals
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:04 pm
by Long slender neck
Is this now an issue just because Marcus says it is?
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:30 pm
by LittleMate
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:03 pm
This country is f*cked if there is a sizeable segment of the population that aren't gonna grumble about the 12 billion being spunked on a non functioning track and trace system handed out to private sector pals from the government, but are getting riled up by the idea of a small subsidy to make sure poor kids get proper food.
I'm not overly concerned about the fact that £12bn has been spunked. I'm very concerned that the poorest of kids are not getting properly fed. If you don't feed them adequately then you can never expect them to learn when they are thinking where their next meal comes from. I'm in my 50's and part of look after us as kids was the daily milk.
Why does the school system not give free meals to all. Put up tax by the fraction it needs; don't worry about taking it from the rich or poor. We can all agree (except MP's) on feeding all kids. If the richer end of the market has their kids eating the same gruel that's being turned out, the quality of it would become a higher priority.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:03 pm
This country is f*cked if there is a sizeable segment of the population that aren't gonna grumble about the 12 billion being spunked on a non functioning track and trace system handed out to private sector pals from the government, but are getting riled up by the idea of a small subsidy to make sure poor kids get proper food.
I'm not overly concerned about the fact that £12bn has been spunked. I'm very concerned that the poorest of kids are not getting properly fed. If you don't feed them adequately then you can never expect them to learn when they are thinking where their next meal comes from. I'm in my 50's and part of look after us as kids was the daily milk.
Why does the school system not give free meals to all. Put up tax by the fraction it needs; don't worry about taking it from the rich or poor. We can all agree (except MP's) on feeding all kids. If the richer end of the market has their kids eating the same gruel that's being turned out, the quality of it would become a higher priority.
I think you make an important point that is missed with a lot of people taking a short term view.
Lack of food is the end result of a bigger problem, it's also the start of limited prospects in the future. It obviously doesn't stop everyone (see Rashford), but theres too many chain reactions of a child going hungry to get into that affect their future, and as a result, societies future.
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:32 pm
by Long slender neck
Believe school meals are free up to a certain age. (Year 3?)
Free meals during a holiday would just be papering over the cracks of poverty wouldn't it?
Raised this point on the other thread- if you think the govt should feed kids during the holidays then why not every day?
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:34 pm
by Still wrong
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:32 pm
Believe school meals are free up to a certain age. (Year 3?)
Free meals during a holiday would just be papering over the cracks of poverty wouldn't it?
Raised this point on the other thread- if you think the govt should feed kids during the holidays then why not every day?
I would have saved a fortune if the government fed my kids.
Still doing it now when one of them comes back from University.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:03 pm
This country is f*cked if there is a sizeable segment of the population that aren't gonna grumble about the 12 billion being spunked on a non functioning track and trace system handed out to private sector pals from the government, but are getting riled up by the idea of a small subsidy to make sure poor kids get proper food.
I'm not overly concerned about the fact that £12bn has been spunked. I'm very concerned that the poorest of kids are not getting properly fed. If you don't feed them adequately then you can never expect them to learn when they are thinking where their next meal comes from. I'm in my 50's and part of look after us as kids was the daily milk.
Why does the school system not give free meals to all. Put up tax by the fraction it needs; don't worry about taking it from the rich or poor. We can all agree (except MP's) on feeding all kids. If the richer end of the market has their kids eating the same gruel that's being turned out, the quality of it would become a higher priority.
The richer end of the market - namely decision makers and MP’s kids - are not going to local primary schools with the rest of us dregs. And even if they did, you couldn’t force them to accept the schools offering, they can always take in their own lunch.
I agree with the sentiment of providing meals to all kids at school, though.
Re: The 4p Breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:49 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:32 pm
Believe school meals are free up to a certain age. (Year 3?)
Free meals during a holiday would just be papering over the cracks of poverty wouldn't it?
Raised this point on the other thread- if you think the govt should feed kids during the holidays then why not every day?
Yes, they were provided to all initially but then rolled back to just reception, year 1 and year 2 kids.
And yes, that’s a great idea, make provision during the week ends of term time as well.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:03 pm
This country is f*cked if there is a sizeable segment of the population that aren't gonna grumble about the 12 billion being spunked on a non functioning track and trace system handed out to private sector pals from the government, but are getting riled up by the idea of a small subsidy to make sure poor kids get proper food.
I'm not overly concerned about the fact that £12bn has been spunked. I'm very concerned that the poorest of kids are not getting properly fed. If you don't feed them adequately then you can never expect them to learn when they are thinking where their next meal comes from. I'm in my 50's and part of look after us as kids was the daily milk.
Why does the school system not give free meals to all. Put up tax by the fraction it needs; don't worry about taking it from the rich or poor. We can all agree (except MP's) on feeding all kids. If the richer end of the market has their kids eating the same gruel that's being turned out, the quality of it would become a higher priority.
The richer end of the market - namely decision makers and MP’s kids - are not going to local primary schools with the rest of us dregs. And even if they did, you couldn’t force them to accept the schools offering, they can always take in their own lunch.
I agree with the sentiment of providing meals to all kids at school, though.
If a school has 900 pupils and only 700 eat the food then 1 or 2 positives could occur. The cook gets the sack for someone more capable; Or the quality of food actually improves. It may have a further benefit of bringing higher quality cooks into the education sector.
I would have saved a fortune if the government fed my kids.
Still doing it now when one of them comes back from University.
Why would you have saved a fortune?
You could have fed your kids very cheaply if you’d prepared meals yourself at home and shopped in the right places.
I would have saved even more if could have got the government to feed the pair of them for 18 years.
I’m pleased for you, and for them, that you didn’t have to rely on the government and worry that you’d have to send them off to school hungry. Imagine that would have been awful for you.
Re: Rashford - Free Meals / 4p breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:37 pm
by Long slender neck
Would it be acceptable to audit those who claim they cannot afford to feed their children?
Re: Rashford - Free Meals
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:00 pm
by Thor
Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:31 am
Do kids still do a harvest festival this time of year where they take cans, dried foods and other staples round to the olds?
Maybe that could be diverted to their classmates whose parents can't afford to feed them?
My sons school did it, each year had to bring in specific food, soaps, underwear and when all put together it covered all bases.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:11 pm
But you don't actually know that's how the majority of in poverty people eat do you. It just fits your worldview to believe that working poor people are just feckless.
Research shows it's cheaper and easier to eat badly than it is well. This is true across the world by the way, not some unique failing to the UK. The world is getting fatter.
I'd love to see this research because the conflation of cheaper and easier is quite amusing
You can go to the chip shop and buy a bag of chips for £2 that’s cheap, it will fill you up, but it’s not good, nor healthy.
I was sitting in traffic on lea bridge road and there’s was a chicken shop and the window was blazed with chicken and chips 99p again it’s cheap, it will fill you up and again it’s not healthy.
You could have fed your kids very cheaply if you’d prepared meals yourself at home and shopped in the right places.
I would have saved even more if could have got the government to feed the pair of them for 18 years.
I’m pleased for you, and for them, that you didn’t have to rely on the government and worry that you’d have to send them off to school hungry. Imagine that would have been awful for you.
Working a sixty hour week and driving 44 miles a day had something to do with it.
As i say, it is nonsense that kids are not given a bowl of cereal or porridge because of expense.
It cost pennies.
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:11 pm
But you don't actually know that's how the majority of in poverty people eat do you. It just fits your worldview to believe that working poor people are just feckless.
Research shows it's cheaper and easier to eat badly than it is well. This is true across the world by the way, not some unique failing to the UK. The world is getting fatter.
I'd love to see this research because the conflation of cheaper and easier is quite amusing
You can go to the chip shop and buy a bag of chips for £2 that’s cheap, it will fill you up, but it’s not good, nor healthy.
I was sitting in traffic on lea bridge road and there’s was a chicken shop and the window was blazed with chicken and chips 99p again it’s cheap, it will fill you up and again it’s not healthy.
It is easier, but doesn't mean healthy alternatives aren't available.
Cavalier wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 pm
I would have saved even more if could have got the government to feed the pair of them for 18 years.
I’m pleased for you, and for them, that you didn’t have to rely on the government and worry that you’d have to send them off to school hungry. Imagine that would have been awful for you.
Working a sixty hour week and driving 44 miles a day had something to do with it.
As i say, it is nonsense that kids are not given a bowl of cereal or porridge because of expense.
It cost pennies.
Good you had a good job. If you didnt, it would have been tough on you and the kids.
I’m pleased for you, and for them, that you didn’t have to rely on the government and worry that you’d have to send them off to school hungry. Imagine that would have been awful for you.
Working a sixty hour week and driving 44 miles a day had something to do with it.
As i say, it is nonsense that kids are not given a bowl of cereal or porridge because of expense.
It cost pennies.
Good you had a good job. If you didnt, it would have been tough on you and the kids.
Not really.
Standard rate of pay for a print company.
What i will concede though, overtime was at time and a half and double time.
There are low wage and poor terms and conditions now.
There are many reasons for this not excluding the cheap eastern block labour that has been allowed to flood the market and drive all those hard fought agreements away.
Also, idiotic governments opening up the market to 6 billion in the far east which has destroyed well paid manufacturing jobs and the only ones left
are the ones with long hours and rubbish conditions. The minimum wage is a joke. This should be for day work Monday to Friday only.
There are companies who are getting away with paying £8.21 ph. for nightwork including weekends. No guessing who the exploited mugs are who are working there.
Even more stupid are governments propping up these jobs by subsidising this nonsense by topping up the wages.
Rant over.
so much for me being right wing.
Re: Rashford - Free Meals / 4p breakfast
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:21 pm
by Long slender neck
Just got an email from the council, during the holidays they will be paying £15 cash a week for those entitled to free school meals. So it is cash.
