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Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 1:55 pm**

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:33 pm Yes,...her name is Margo something, and in the link I've included, it refers to "her"
Okay?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... uct-claims

You are assuming gender just because they use the name Margo?

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 2:09 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:55 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:33 pm Yes,...her name is Margo something, and in the link I've included, it refers to "her"
Okay?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... uct-claims
You are assuming gender just because they use the name Margo?

With a sense of humour like that you should be on the stage, there's one leaving in 30 minutes...

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 2:37 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:27 pm Can anyone identify EXACTLY what false representation BJ made

Can you identify how it was made by BJ and when it was made

And finally

Can you prove the representation as made was indeed false and that BJ knew it was false?

Those are the sort of things that will have to be proved by admissible evidence before a jury

My wife keeps making false representations over a BJ.

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 2:48 pm**

Just lock him up
Boris that is ( although you can include Spen69 )

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 2:49 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:42 pm True we haven’t left yet, but it was Gideon who said we’d crash straight in to recession should we vote to leave. Did it happen, nope. On and on it went. Project fear all lies.

I'd be quite happy if they locked up Gideon as well, if that'd help.

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 4:43 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 12:49 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 12:38 pm Politician tells lies. Really.

Lock him up anyway.
You would have to lock them all up in that case.

Works for me

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 5:15 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:06 pm If Boris gets convicted over this it will open up a can of worms . There will be Remainer MPs in the dock next with charges over project fear. Look at all the lying they did .

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 5:38 pm**

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:19 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:06 pm If Boris gets convicted over this it will open up a can of worms . There will be Remainer MPs in the dock next with charges over operation fear. Look at all the lying they did .
As far as I know, it was only Brexit people who lied and cheated. Project fear was an invented thing by leavers desperate to win.
Everything remainers warned about has come true so far, smaller economy for example, and we haven't even left yet

Crickey project fear told more lies than Boris ever could. Will Cameron be in court as well?

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 5:47 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:06 pm If Boris gets convicted over this it will open up a can of worms . There will be Remainer MPs in the dock next with charges over project fear. Look at all the lying they did .

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 6:11 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:15 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 1:06 pm If Boris gets convicted over this it will open up a can of worms . There will be Remainer MPs in the dock next with charges over project fear. Look at all the lying they did .

What 'lies' exactly. Predictions of what might happen aren't lies, even if they prove to be wrong.

The UK are a net contributor to the EU, to the tune of £6.5m. That takes into account the infamous rebate and money that comes back into the country in the form of grants etc. That makes us just the 5th highest contributor per capita and about 0.32% of GDP.

That's about a third of the amount Leave were using. It was a deliberate misdirection, but I'm not sure if it could be called a lie

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 6:53 pm**

Mostly all politicians ''Bend the truth'' some more than others.
Problem is that they end up believing in their own ''Porky Pies'' !!
As to the ''Bus Slogan'' well anyone with any sense only had to work out for themselves money paid in as to money we got back to see this was a ''Highly unlikely claim'' to say the least !! Of course the Remain side also made some equally silly claims ( Project Fear ) as to what would happen if UK voted out. Perhaps the best thing is to abolish all the House of Commons along with the House of Lords and start all over again !!

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 6:53 pm Mostly all politicians ''Bend the truth'' some more than others.
Problem is that they end up believing in their own ''Porky Pies'' !!
As to the ''Bus Slogan'' well anyone with any sense only had to work out for themselves money paid in as to money we got back to see this was a ''Highly unlikely claim'' to say the least !! Of course the Remain side also made some equally silly claims ( Project Fear ) as to what would happen if UK voted out. Perhaps the best thing is to abolish all the House of Commons along with the House of Lords and start all over again !!

Sadly 52% of the nation didn’t have the sense to work it out!
Boris is and always will be a complete idiot!

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 9:16 pm**

cockhat wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 6:53 pm Mostly all politicians ''Bend the truth'' some more than others.
Problem is that they end up believing in their own ''Porky Pies'' !!
As to the ''Bus Slogan'' well anyone with any sense only had to work out for themselves money paid in as to money we got back to see this was a ''Highly unlikely claim'' to say the least !! Of course the Remain side also made some equally silly claims ( Project Fear ) as to what would happen if UK voted out. Perhaps the best thing is to abolish all the House of Commons along with the House of Lords and start all over again !!
Sadly 52% of the nation didn’t have the sense to work it out!
Boris is and always will be a complete idiot!

Same goes for the 48% who didn't have the sense to work out that Cameron and Osborn's ''Project Fear'' was also made up nonsense !!

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:16 pm
cockhat wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 6:53 pm Mostly all politicians ''Bend the truth'' some more than others.
Problem is that they end up believing in their own ''Porky Pies'' !!
As to the ''Bus Slogan'' well anyone with any sense only had to work out for themselves money paid in as to money we got back to see this was a ''Highly unlikely claim'' to say the least !! Of course the Remain side also made some equally silly claims ( Project Fear ) as to what would happen if UK voted out. Perhaps the best thing is to abolish all the House of Commons along with the House of Lords and start all over again !!
Sadly 52% of the nation didn’t have the sense to work it out!
Boris is and always will be a complete idiot!
Same goes for the 48% who didn't have the sense to work out that Cameron and Osborn's ''Project Fear'' was also made up nonsense !!

Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 10:40 pm**

Be interesting to see how he arrives at £360 million. Got to be more than our Gross contribution. Even at a push I can only get to £250 million. Ant that excludes rebates.

Posted: **Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm**

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:16 pm
cockhat wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm

Sadly 52% of the nation didn’t have the sense to work it out!
Boris is and always will be a complete idiot!
Same goes for the 48% who didn't have the sense to work out that Cameron and Osborn's ''Project Fear'' was also made up nonsense !!
Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.

Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 5:18 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:16 pm

Same goes for the 48% who didn't have the sense to work out that Cameron and Osborn's ''Project Fear'' was also made up nonsense !!
Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!

Look at this month’s car production figures and you will know it is more Project Reality.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 7:10 am**

Will Osborne be in court for saying they’ll be an immediate recession were we to vote Leave? Will Clegg be in court over tuition fees? Will May be in court for saying we’d leave on the 29th March over 100 times? I suspect not.

Most grown ups realise that politicians – and let’s be generous – put as positive a spin on what they want as they can, to try to convince the electorate to vote their way. It’s happened for centuries and will continue happening, it’s hardly ‘Hold the front page’ news. So us the electorate have to make judgement calls, and we can take revenge on the politicians next time if we think they deserve it.

There was much spin put in the referendum campaign on both sides, and all of it was challenged robustly by the other side at the time. To try some legal process years after is politically motivated, and I hope it gets thrown out, for would be a very slippery slope for politics otherwise and ultimately I suspect do more harm than good, for Politics would risk getting bogged down in constant legal challenges.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 7:14 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 5:18 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!
Look at this month’s car production figures and you will know it is more Project Reality.

Look a little deeper and you find it is also down to rescheduling downtime and the general decline in car production due to tensions between the US and China and other things. Not saying Brexit hasn’t affected this, but it’s politicians creating uncertainty that is the issue and not Brexit itself, evidenced by previous post vote increases. As Brown told us endlessly during the big crash - we live in a global economy and get affected by international issues.

Interesting how some jump on one statistic and proof, yet choose to call other things like unemployment, numbers in work etc all lies that don’t tell the truth because they show a positive situation despite Brexit.

The trait of the extremist perhaps.

Interestingly, look at the table on the BBC page and use this to compare the progress under the current Government and the decline under Labour. Even after this drop it still beats many years production under Labour. The current decline has many causes yet sales still top the last few precrash years of Labour.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 7:38 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:16 pm

Same goes for the 48% who didn't have the sense to work out that Cameron and Osborn's ''Project Fear'' was also made up nonsense !!
Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!

Project fear? Get real, since the vote pound has fallen 20%, shares have fallen 20%, 2 car companies moving out, Jaguar moving some production. Shortage of Doctors, Nurses and teachers!
I’m one of the idiots who saw the light.
Now we have the possibility of a lying clown leading the country!!
I feel sorry for the younger generation that will have to live with project fear reality!
Where are all these countries lining up to do business with us?

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 7:45 am**

Personally I feel the project fear campaign was the biggest boost for Brexit with many people reacting against being bullied by the remain camp.

I wonder if the remain camp had taken a different route, by promoting the benefits of being in, rather than the fears of being out, the result would have been different.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 8:03 am**

cockhat wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 7:38 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!
Project fear? Get real, since the vote pound has fallen 20%, shares have fallen 20%, 2 car companies moving out, Jaguar moving some production. Shortage of Doctors, Nurses and teachers!
I’m one of the idiots who saw the light.
Now we have the possibility of a lying clown leading the country!!
I feel sorry for the younger generation that will have to live with project fear reality!
Where are all these countries lining up to do business with us?

Be careful or you'll be in court. Simple facts - pound hasn't fallen 20% nor have shares. Economy continues to grow.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 8:37 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 5:18 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!
Look at this month’s car production figures and you will know it is more Project Reality.

Car production figures are down the world over. Cutback due to many things including China economic slowdown leading to less car sales, over production, slowdown of diesel car production and the move to switch over to alternative power such as electric cars.

Come on you can do better than this rather feeble effort !! On this forum its getting to be arguing for the sake of something to do !!
I recommend you go to this Argument Clinic instead !!

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 9:07 am**

cockhat wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 7:38 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 pm
Real Al wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Pretty sure the 48% paid no attention to anything those pair ever said.
Most of the TV News and MPs of the Remain side were ( and still are ) projecting non stop Project Fear and Gloom !!
Project fear? Get real, since the vote pound has fallen 20%, shares have fallen 20%, 2 car companies moving out, Jaguar moving some production. Shortage of Doctors, Nurses and teachers!
I’m one of the idiots who saw the light.
Now we have the possibility of a lying clown leading the country!!
I feel sorry for the younger generation that will have to live with project fear reality!
Where are all these countries lining up to do business with us?

Car production has fallen worldwide leading to cutbacks in production all over the world, many reasons for that.
UK was warned that unemployment soar, in actual fact unemployment has continued to fall.
The UK Pound was over valued and has fallen but on recent average has hovered around $1.30 from the previous average of around $1.45, that is a decline of 10% not 20%. World Currency does go up and down, that's as it is. The result of the lower UK Pound is that is that it has boosted exports.
The cry for more Doctors and Nurses is an age old thing. Part of the reason is pressure on the NHS due to the rise in immigration. Ever been down to your local Doctors and seen so many more patients now than in the past ? If we were to leave the EU, it would open the door to bridging the shortage we have now by letting Doctors and Nurses come to UK from Countries like India, Australia, New Zealand and Philippines, all Countries who's people are keen to come to UK especially the many well qualified and hard working Philippine Nurses who would like to come toc work in the UK. The World is full of opportunities, its really a case of the ''Cannot be dones'' verses ''It can be done's'' UK free of the EU could have more opportunities, be more selective of whom we let into the Country, have its own fishing grounds back also free up our farmers to increase food production and make full use of the land they have. At present Farmers are paid subsidies NOT to produce food, so if we can increase our own home grown produce, then we do not have to import so much food produce from other Countries.
I am an optimist and see the glass as half full, rather than half empty.
Anyway, I had my birthday on Friday, 72 years old. Worked hard all my life and still working hard when I am able. Going out now to do some gardening and painting at my lady friends house so going out now. Up the Os !!

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 9:16 am**

I wonder if there'll ever be a time when everyone can tell the difference between a) a prediction that fails to materialise and b) a statement of "fact" that is a lie.

"You can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts"

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